Genuine question now guys....Do you think Ched Evans is.....

Guilty?

I know a court of law has found him guilty but do you honestly think that he set out with intentions that night to rape a young girl??

In my opinion I'm not totally convinced he is, purely my opinion. I would dare say that this type of sexual behaviour between "celebrity's" and young woman who are obsessed with the so called gilts and glamour is absolutely rife in this country on a daily basis...should he not be guilty he's now trapped in a whole lot of **** and clearing his name is going to take years.

Like I say I'm not 100% convinced he is.

 

i agree with you she had a drink and regretted what she had done the next morning so cried rape

 

His mate was with her that was consensual. He wanted to join in, she didn't want that so he did anyway.

 

I thought the evidence from witnesses was that she could barely talk in the shop. And that she appeared to not know where she was.

Once the man she went back with had finished with her ched entered without her consent and raped her.

All I know is thank god we have laws to protect people. Being drunk does not make a crime any less abhorant.

A jury found him guilty. Of rape. The man raped a woman who was drunk.

If you have a daughter ask if you'd be happy with what Evans did.

 

Girl went back to hotel with other player (the name escapes me)

Ched turns up, has to lie to the night porter to get past security and gets a key card for the room under false pretences.

Does the deed.

Makes a break for it via the fire escape.

If this sounds like consentual sex to anyone then they are very disturbed.

 

Without a shadow of doubt.

 

Pretty much that.

 

You honestly think the jury and the appeals court didn't take that possibility into account?

 

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It doesn't matter if your a celeberty or not, if you know a women isn't concenting or even capable of concenting, you just don't go there.

 

It was rape and Evans is a rapist.

 

I think not guilty

 

I do, yes.

A jury of his peers thought so too. And lets be fair here, rape is a very difficult charge to make stick. Yet this one did, despite his enormous wealth and ability to get the best legal team he could to defend him.

And, having read lots of material on this incident, including the stuff from his own website, I'm convinced he raped the girl. As for whether she was/wasn't drunk, whether she was a slapper or not etc etc etc, that doesn't affect my judgment. Nor did it affect the jurors who returned a guilty verdict.

 

Do you know what actually happened?

In case you don't...

Clayton McDonald went down to Rhyl for a night out with Ched Evans and some other lads. Evans paid for McDonald a room in a hotel. They went out. In the early hours of the morning they've left the club, as has the complainant. She's pissed, there's CCTV footage of her falling down, pissing in a doorway and stumbling about. McDonald and Evans have become separated. The complainant starts talking to McDonald, she hails a taxi and they got back to his hotel room. McDonald texts Evans stating 'I've got a bird'. She leaves her bag in the kebab shop and her pizza out side the hotel. The night porter at the hotel describes the lass as drunk and slurring her words. They go in to his room and have sex. Meanwhile on receiving the text from McDonald, Evans takes a taxi to the hotel. He doesn't have a room there. Because the room is paid for on Evans' credit card he tells the night porter it's his room and obtains a key card. He enters the room with this card. Evans has sex with the girl. They have never met before. McDonald leaves the room at this point and tells the night porter to keep an eye on the girl. McDonald leaves by the front door. Evans goes leaves the girl and goes out of the fire escape. They both go back to Evans' family house.

None of that is in dispute.

Evans says the girl said 'yeah' when he asked the girl if he could join in. The girl doesn't remember and the jury concluded she was too drunk to make the choice.

Considering all that, can you tell me what makes you believe 100% that he is innocent?

I don't know for sure. She might have said 'yeah' she might not have done. As such, I would have had to find him not guilty, you have to prove guilt not innocence. However, also considering the CCTV footage, the testimony of the night porter and the fact that McDonald expressed concern about her well being I would also conclude she wasn't fit to make a decision. There's pissed up ******* with someone you cop off with and then there's being naked in a hotel room out of your head when a stranger walks in and starts shagging you.

I'd also question why he went to the hotel in the first place, why he got the key card like he did instead of knocking on the door, why he sneaked out of the fire escape and why both felt the need to vacate the room.

I'm struggling to understand how anyone could be convinced he's 100% innocent. I can understand why people may have doubts, but not your stance.

Edit - apologies, I read your post incorrectly. You're not saying you think he's 100% innocent, you're saying you're not 100% convinced he's guilty. My fault entirely, I'm sorry for misrepresenting you.

 

I don't think he did do it

 

The funny thing is, if any of this can be considered funny, the account on his own website makes him sound more guilty than the reporting in the press.

 

I'm not going to rehearse the evidential concerns I raised on here a few weeks ago but having prosecuted and defended many rape and sexual offences over the years and followed the trial I was genuinely shocked at the verdicts returned.

No axe to grind, just an objective, professional opinion.

 

Wow lot of people here have read through all the evidence....

 

He had sex with a girl without her consent. That's rape unfortunately