Genuine question now guys....Do you think Ched Evans is.....

I'm pretty sure you didn't mean that as it sounds. I'd consider changing it mate.

 

Not guilty,

 

His website is staggering. I'd hate to see what it would say if it was trying to argue he was guilty.

 

Let's get 1 thing straight before we go any further I don't condone any form of rape/sexual violence towards woman.

My initial feeling and thought towards it all was that there was a case of 'crying rape.
1) if McDonald had 'concerns' then when why did he simply say "keep an eye on the girl", surely he would've either not left her or called the cops?
2) as for sneaking through the fire door, maybe as the booze had wore off he's thought '****' if I'm seen leaving here this could bite me on the arse with the mrs
3) for all you know she could've been totally gagging for him in that hotel room but Evans trying to prove his innocence against what she is claiming is pretty much impossible

Like I initially stated, my opinion was that I didn't think he set out to rape a young woman that night......sex yes rape no.

 

No, I don't think he had the intention of rape, because I don't think he fully understands what rape is. I think he had every intention of carrying out actions that without a doubt constitute rape, but I think that he thinks what he did is perfectly acceptable lads' behaviour. I'm pleased to say that I don't know anyone who'd do what he did and think it reasonable. But it's similar to paedophiles really, as they tend to fail to grasp why they're in trouble, as they don't see what they do as being criminal.

What's worse is that this kind of **** will have happened so often that there should be more footballers facing similar charges. Hopefully Evans' conviction will make other footballers think about their actions, because lets face it, we've heard many similar horrid tales of what footballers have got up to. And you just wonder how many clubs have paid people off. The Class of 92 would have been a man down if rumours are to be believed.

 

You fundamentally misunderstand the crime if you think you have to set off on a night out with the intention to rape someone to commit rape

 

If he wasn't concerned about her well being (I mean that she was utterly ballacks), why did he say it? You only ever ask someone to keep an eye on someone else if you're worried about them. Some people would do more, some would do less, but no one ever asks a person to look out for someone else if they don't have some concerns. There's absolutely no need to.

Could be or he could have come to his senses and realised what he'd just done.

And for all you know she could have been comatose on the bed by the time Evans got there.

What he set out to do is of no relevance. I do not consider Evans guilty of premeditated rape. It's what he actually did that matters.

I don't know anybody who thinks it's acceptable to follow a couple back to their hotel room, enter that room without knocking or announcing your presence and have sex with naked drunk girl on the bed. That doesn't necessarily mean he's guilty of rape, but he's guilty of a hell of a lot more than cheating on his girlfriend which is the only thing he is admitting to.

 

Unfortunately with cases like this the only 2 people who know the truth that night are Evans and the young lady

 

1) I dunno why he didn't stop, maybe because he's a ****, maybe because he had somewhere to be in the morning, whatever the reason it's not particularly relevant. But from the fact he said something I think it can reasonably be inferred she was pissed. He wouldn't have said anything if not.
2.) Maybe, but I'm not sure that is central to his conviction.
3.) Neither Evans nor McDonald said she was gagging for it, so she wasn't. The best they could do is that one of them asked if Evans could have a go (and their accounts differ as to who asked) and she responded "yeah."

I don't know if they did ask or if she did respond yeah, and the issue is not whether Evans intended to rape, or even whether he believed what he was doing was rape. The issue is whether his belief that she consented (if he had one) was reasonable. If the hypothetical man on the Clapham omnibus received a text from his mate saying he had "got a bird", went round to a travelodge in the small hours and found her pissed on a bed would it be reasonable for him to conclude that a slurred "yeah" from the drunk woman he had never met before constituted informed consent? The jury concluded that no, it wouldn't.

 

Every word of that mansfield red.

 

Personally I think he's innocent. She's chatted to Clayton McDonald for 2 mins at a bus stop, jumped in a taxi with him, cheds rocked up, slipped her one & she's woke up feeling like a sl*g & cried rape.

She said herself that she normally drinks far more than she did, walked into the hotel unaided & even went back outside for her pizza box. Her story doesn't quite fit the cctv evidence.

Not that I'm condoning what he's done or that her being a bit loose means she deserved a raping, but certainly think there's more to it than him simply being guilty.

She accused both Evans & McDonald of rape, and the fact only 1 went down seems a tad strange to me

 

Rapist.

 

^^^^This

 

Eh?

unfortunatly for him. Is that right/better?

 

I'm not sure either of them do. I don't think the woman can remember and rape is such an ugly word, describing such an horrendous act that I don't think Ched Evans can admit to himself that he is capable of it. I don't blame him for that. I would imagine when Ched Evans thinks of rape he pictures a man in an alleyway taking a woman by force and using physical violence. How do you get through life if you admit to yourself you've done something that is described by that word? Ched Evans didn't do that. However, even if he didn't rape the girl to the letter of the law, what he did was morally wrong. Everyone knows that. You don't enter a hotel room unannounced and ask for a go with the drunk girl on the bed. It's unacceptable behaviour, even if she does mumble 'yeah', which comes from Ched's testimony. But at no point has Ched admitted this is bad behaviour. All he's apologised for is cheating on his girlfriend, as though this liaison was a run of the mill affair. If he can't admit his actions were wrong, when we all know they were, even if they were inside the law, how can we trust him to tell us the whole truth?

Sociopaths and psychopaths get through this kind of thing without it blowing a hair out of place. Ched Evans doesn't strike me as that. He comes across as someone who thought he was untouchable due to his profession and made a massive error of judgement. He's now lying to himself to protect himself, because when he stops lying and when those around him (and Sheffield U-*******-Nited) stop blowing smoke up his arse, he's going to have to confront what he did and I don't think he will be able to cope. He's a head first jump off something high waiting to happen and those who think they're standing by him are just delaying the inevitable. They're not ******* helping him, unless Ched's mind works in ways that I've only ever seen from proper mentalists.

He needs to confront what he did now, while help and goodwill are available, not in a few years when everyone has chalked **** on him. If he carries on with his current stance he'll not get a club or a manger that will select him. Sheff Utd fans will forget him, his girlfriend will stand by him while he's a professional footballer, but will she do that when he works in a factory and she realises he's not all that good looking and he has the charisma of a lizard?

IMHO Ched's only chance of a future in football (and life) is to admit what he did was wrong (not necessarily rape, it depends what really happened) have the **** kicked out of him for a few months, then make moves to rectify the situation. Start by apologising to the lass, then take it from there and see if he can help educate young lads about acceptable behaviour. Otherwise he's ******.

 

It's not about being right mate. The way you've phrased it makes it sound like it's a shame that a lack of consent is viewed as rape and things would be much better if that wasn't the case. I know that's not what you meant, but that's how it reads.

 

I see. It's late and I am tired unfortunatly. Nighty night you mass debaters

 

I wasn't having a go, just, you know, trying to prevent someone giving you some abuse when that wasn't what you meant.

Apologies if I came across as t'wat. Can't help it, it's built in.

 

Cool beans

 

An objective solicitor / barrister , thats a first given you are paid to be the opposite Three objective Judges agreed with the 12 objective jurors.......guilty