Genuine question now guys....Do you think Ched Evans is.....

She cried rape on 3 different occasions all with high profile people. 2 of them were rugby players and I forget who the other one was. I'm 50/50 on the whole case, the tweets she sent and then deleted straight away that ended up getting recovered paints a picture of what she is. I think a fair few other posters on here simply refuse to look at the facts because of who he played for.

There's good evidence that would suggest he didn't rape her and I think this story will only develope over time. The fact she has cried rape on 3 different occasions doesn't sit well with me, she's either the most unlucky person alive or she's trying to earn a few quid. At the end of the day though he was found guilty, regardless of what did happen.

Also for what it's worth I think he should be able to return to football, there's been worse cases! Hughes, McCormick and Robertson were all at cause for a death yet all 3 returned to football. If he didn't play football what is he going to do? Sit on his arse on the jam role?

 

Do explain how my objectivity is compromised when passing unpaid comment upon a case in which I was not instructed by either party or was it just a cheap swipe upon which to premise your better point that the Court of Appeal upheld the conviction?

 

Basically what mr Gordon Ottershaw said so eloquently.

 

Stalking a woman in a park and sexually assaulting her behind a garage is rape.

Getting drunk and "smashing the back doors in" of a woman without receiving consent is also rape.

They're one and the same. It's as though people are clouding their judgement because they don't actually know what the offence is and what it constitutes.

 

^^^^ agree with this absolutely 100%

 

Yup.

And those twelve Wednesdayites on the jury agreed.

 

You refer to a lot of facts there. Can you corroborate any of those 'facts'? Even just dealing with the twitter one that is in the public domain, it is little more than conjecture. Evans website even admits so. The tweets make absolutely no comment about the case, or rape, have no surrounding context and were sent 5 months after the rape took place.

 

I can't see how she's looking to earn a few quid when she's remained silent / unknown.

The other cases are results of incidents, I highly doubt those players went out with the intention of causing a death. As that would be murder.

You can't accidentally rape someone or do something that results in you having non-consenting sex. It has to have intentional or pre-meditated.

I know if I did something serious against the law and was found guilty, I would be sacked (It's in my contract). I would then have to start at the bottom rung of the employment ladder with a conviction on my CV.

As he has been found guilty of rape, has his name not been put on any sex offenders list? How does this work when the job of a professional footballer would regularly put him in contact with the public / kids and impressionable young people?

 

Not true. You may believe that someone you are having sex is consenting but if that belief isn't reasonable then it is rape.

 

Ched's account describes a situation that, I have to say, would be easy for a lot of men to end up in.

It's entirely plausible that she woke up the next day, felt very guilty about what she had done (essentially letting two blokes have their way with her) and alleged she was raped to take the blame away from herself and put it on someone else.

We do have to respect the fact that our justice system convicted him of rape, but the scenario should be a warning to a lot of people, particular those in their early 20's who tend to be the most promiscuous.

 

really ?? because I hardly ever chased round to my mates on the off chance of sticky seconds whist having some other mates filming me through the window :0)

 

This is the point for me. Even if she did say 'yeah' does that still class as consent when she is that drunk?

 

Are you his mum then Judith? ???????

 

I dont think he is guilty imo still a poor role model but if the plymouth goalkeeper mcomrick is it is allowed to play again the child killing drink driver then why not let him get on with It. Football is full of poor role models joey barton suarez ect ect

 

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/opini...782?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/local...ffield-united-for-rapist-ched-evans-1-6911497

Decent articles.

 

Don't get you?

 

"In R v Bree [2007] EWCA 256, the Court of Appeal explored the issue of capacity and consent, stating that, if, through drink, or for any other reason, a complainant had temporarily lost her capacity to choose whether to have sexual intercourse, she was not consenting, and subject to the defendant's state of mind, if intercourse took place, that would be rape. However, where a complainant had voluntarily consumed substantial quantities of alcohol, but nevertheless remained capable of choosing whether to have intercourse, and agreed to do so, that would not be rape. Further, they identified that capacity to consent may evaporate well before a complainant becomes unconscious. Whether this is so or not, however, depends on the facts of the case."