Why does it take 2/3 years to 'build a team'

Totally agree. It didn't take Keith 2-3 years to get Barnsley playing some decent football and it was the sale of Vaz Te, Butterfield and Drinkwater going back to be sold to Leicester that destroyed that team. With the kind of money Danny was given he should have produced a more competitive team this season. Having said that the timing of his sacking was still utterly ridiculous. Should definitely have been given until the end of the season despite the dross we've had to endure...

 

Keith would still be saying Chelsea are over achieving and be sick of fans talking about Premier Champions and European Cups and Kerry Dixon

 

Agree with these posts.

 

Club legends, Drogba and Terry never getting a game. New signing Stephen Dawson playing out wide instead of Cuadrado, Hazard makeshift left back because he "needs to add to his defensive game".

 

Costa being 'broken and rebuilt' in training.

 

So the berk Keefy, who got sacked at bfc for being Errrr.....a useless berk is now better than Mourhino?

Lol.....u lot really take the biscuit for nonsense.

 

Aye cos its easy building an empire innit ?
How long did it take Alex Ferguson to build a team to compete and win in the Champions league?
demand of instant success and greed is killing the game IMO.

 

If you've got unlimited funds it doesn't. But if you make an offer for a player and their parent club turns you down, or the player turns you down, or he signs for someone else and you end up signing your 3rd choice right back, your fifth choice centre half and a centre forward that was half way down a list of 30 then it doesn't matter how simple the game of football is, you'll not have the players to win the majority of games you play, even if, and I realise this may come as a shock to some people, even if we play the sacred 4-4-2. And it's not like we were identifying superstars to begin with, just players we thought we would be able to afford.

When you sign that sort of player he might turn out OK, he might not. So, it can't be done in a couple of transfer windows, because some players will prove not to be good enough. They'll have to be replaced and that takes time. I don't care how smart Jose Mourinho, if he's having to make do with players just to fill the positions, rather than being able to sign exactly who he wants, his team aren't going to win every week.

In the summer we rid ourselves of expensive players on hefty contracts to be replaced by much cheaper players. Out went players with Championship experience, in came players from League 2, Scottish part time football and non-league. They were supplemented by our own lads who came through the academy and a few free transfers from the Championship, one who had been out for 12 months injured, another who couldn't be arsed to get himself fit and a forward with an excellent record but now looks less likely to score than I do when sat in the stand. At times they've played some great football, at others they've looked shocking. We've won some when we've looked poor, lost some when we've played well and been just about as inconsistent as you'd expect a team filled with kids and inexperienced pros to be. It left us, when we sacked the manager, as the stereotypical midtable side, as close to the relegation places as we were to the play-offs. Anyone who expected different (not hoped for, we all hope for more) just doesn't understand the situation we're in. Anyone calling it a simple game to justify a belief that we're not doing as well as we should be completely fails to take in to account that's it's also a simple game for the opposition. Why we should expect our team to beat the opposition beats the hell out of me. We haven't paid any more money for our players than others in the division, we haven't recruited from a higher level or brought in players who have proved themselves consistently, we've signed potential, so I don't know why anyone believes we should be doing any better than we are. From where I'm sitting the revelation that we've got the 5th highest wage budget in the division points to the fact that we're over paying on wages to a squad made up primarily of young lads with limited experience who shouldn't be able to command huge contracts. I don't see it as any justification for sacking the manager because we're not doing well, more like another example of mistakes at boardroom level. They offer wages and negotiate contracts, not the manager.

Any naivety lies with those who think a team put together on the cheap can become world beaters in the space of a few months. If you can sign who the hell you want, it's possible, but we can't. We've bought players we hope can improve, who aren't at the top of their game yet. It's a sensible policy for a club with a limited budget. Unfortunately, all sense went out of the window when we sacked the manager given the task of implementing that policy, because if you're buying potential, if you're signing young players who you hope will improve, then you've got to give them time to do it. That plan requires patience which is in short supply at Oakwell, so we pulled the trigger and are back to square one.

 

Likety like.

 

As s counter-argument and playing devils advocate, a Shrewsbury fan phoned talksport yesterday. I haven't verified the truth in this nor do I have the time to, but he said when Mickey Mellon took over they had 5 players, no scouts & no CEO. They're now top of league 2.

Other than a slight difference in the quality of football (particularly between top of league 1 & top of league 2, don't think there's much difference excluding the top teams in our league) is there much difference there that I'm missing?


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I think you're underestimating the difference in quality between the two leagues, but other than that I don't think you're missing anything. But there is something else that must be taken in to account - luck or good fortune or whatever else you would like to call it.

You'll very rarely get a successful poor manager, but you'll get plenty of good managers who aren't always successful because it doesn't quite click how they hoped.

When we were promoted to the Premier League it had been planned meticulously, but even Danny Wilson will admit he had some luck too. He signed 5 players that summer (Thompson, Appleby, Wilkinson, Marcelle and Bosancic). He scouted them, bought them for specific positions, hoped they'd work like he planned, but even he can't have envisaged they would slot in to the team so well, be right on it from the off and compliment the rest of the squad like they did. That's what he wanted, but you so rarely get it so perfect. 5 players signed, every one a huge success. Mourihno can't do that, Ferguson never could, nor could Brian Clough. Danny didn't do it again so well. He bought better players (Ashley Ward for one) but he never bought 5 together that fit so well. He go a bit of luck.

I would imagine Micky Mellon is having the same kind of luck right now. He knew what he wanted, he signed players to do that, but he's been lucky that they've fit so well.

I'd argue this season Wilson has had some bad luck. His top scorer out injured for 3 months, the midfield player who made us tick picking up an injury on international duty and never playing for us again. It would be difficult to argue that we wouldn't be doing better with both Winnall and Williams in the team. Other teams will be suffering injuries too, but some seasons they are to key player and your season suffers, like us this season, and sometimes you've got ready made replacements, like when Adie Moses stepped in to Steve Davies' shoes in the promotion season, our only bad injury of the whole season.

 

Even with nearly unlimited funds, it was beyond David Moyes at Man Utd - after over a decade as an established and successful PL manager at Everton - and will take Van Gaal to at least his second season to build them back into title contenders again. Its taken Mourinho his 2nd back season at Chelsea, and Wenger hasn't managed it in the last decade at Arsenal. Rogers has struggled to replace just Saurez at Liverpool.

So several of the better managers in the PL are unable to do it within a season, with significantly more money and better scouting networks.