Cryne & Mansford Q&A now online

I used to work for Yorkshire Television. We filmed interviews all the time. If the interviewee said something and asked it not to be broadcast, we didn't. Mostly, just out of good manners, also because in local news you tend to interview the same people over and over again so you want to keep them onside, but also because what they tell you they don't want recording will actually lead to questions they will answer on camera, information that you weren't privy to before they told you this thing. Off the record comments are part and parcel of the process. Occasionally a judgement call would be made that would mean we would broadcast stuff the interviewee didn't want us to, but it was very rare because in the long run it doesn't do you any good as you lose trust.

 

Unless he said something afterwards to Dyson, he didn't ask for it not to be broadcast though.

 

He did though, that's the point. He raised the issue at the time and was reassured by either Dyson or someone else. I can't tell what was said, it's off mic, but that's why I've brought it up. I'm not trying to protect him from something I think he shouldn't have said. I'm saying that he did mention it at the time and I'm asking whether WSB's have considered his wishes. I can't tell what was said off mic, so I'm asking for clarification and if they know whether Mr Cryne is comfortable with that bit being broadcast. If he is, fine, but it doesn't sound like he is.

 

He said 'that probably shouldn't be recorded, should it'. In other words I shouldn't have really said that on mic. He didn't specifically say he didn't want it broadcast.

 

And after he'd said that he was reassured by someone off mic to which he said 'OK'. What I'm asking, is what was said to him. Do they tell Mr Cryne it can be edited out? Is that why he says 'OK'? If not, what do they say to reassure him?

 

I said 'don't worry, it's ok because we agree with you' and Ben says 'it's fine' in a manner that I took it as 'don't worry you're not saying anything wrong' at which point Mr Cryne continued.

If the club would like it editing, I'd be happy to. Certainly not looking to upset anyone.

 

IMO for what its worth I read the comment as trying to let the players know where some of the fans come from and how their life experiences and histories are entwined in their version of how they see what the club stands for,don't think he was condoning it at all tbh.

 

It wouldn't matter if he was condoning it.

 

Having listened to it again, I think you only missed one trick. You should have asked why, since we were just as close to the play-offs as we were were to the bottom four, seven points from each, were they so certain we were in a relegation battle. There's no argument at all about how ***** we were in that Fleetwood game, but when I got home after that match and looked at the table, I didn't for one minute think we looked in danger of relegation. I think we do now, because we're rudderless at the moment and a new manager may take a while to find his feet. But I'd seen no indication we were suddenly going to start having a poorer run under Wilson. Before the Fleetwood game we'd won the previous four home league games only conceding one goal. It wasn't pretty, like yesterday wasn't pretty, but we were getting the points from the home games that were going to keep us away from the drop zone. There was no indication we'd get anything away from home that would propel us towards the play-offs, but that's a different argument.

I could understand why you pushed the issue about Cryne's son, even if it didn't make for the most scintillating discussion. They made it perfectly clear that he has nothing to do with the decision making, but what you were getting at, which wasn't really addressed satisfactorily, is why his name had been brought up in the first place, not by fans creating conspiracy theories, but by CEOs, owners and managers. I'm not trying fuel a conspiracy theory, just saying that I could perfectly understand where you were coming from. Afterall, Frederick Jizzmeister has nothing to do with running the club either, but if the manager, the CEO, and the Owner all mention him within the next couple of months, I think a lot of people will be asking questions about him and his involvement.

 

I know you weren't mate, that's why I brought it to your attention.

That's fine then, sorted. Just checking.

 

Agree with that. It made no sense to me that they supposedly fired him because he did what they'd told him not to do - get us close to relegation. We were as close to the playoffs ffs.

However, the fish eyes have it.

 

What I wanted to ask, but couldn't get it in, was if we are using such a statistical approach (referenced when talking about Maurice Watkins) then why was seemingly the main reason for sacking Danny a subjective one?

Like you, I've never once considered relegation, I still don't but I think it's a bigger possibility without Danny.

 

I would have thought the statistical response would have been that 17th-19th is pretty close to relegation & nowhere near the playoffs.


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But again, that's very simplistic. If you're the same distance from the top 6 as you are bottom 3, league position doesn't matter if the requirement is not to get us in a relegation battle. Because, quite simply, we weren't. And IMHO we're still not.

 

I agree that it's simplistic. I think we know we disagree on the relegation battle - I think a team that doesn't even look like getting a point away from home but is scraping fortunate home wins is much more likely to lose the home form than dramatically pick up away from home. If we'd won the Fleetwood game Id have felt differently - but the nature of the defeat and the sight of the league table after it made me pretty uncomfortable.

It is very subjective & I have no issue with those that disagree - but Patrick stated that the message given to Danny was to make sure we were never in any danger of being dragged into the relegation fight. It's easy for me to see and for Patrick to argue that it isn't unreasonable to suggest that we were heading towards that dog fight.

Thought you handled the Q&A extremely well, FYI.


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The statistical approach would have been that your're equidistant points wise between play offs and relegation, so no need to panic. Yesterday's win was identical to the wins that Danny's been eking out at home the last few months. We're not really doing anything differently. 9th best home team in the division now by the way.

 

Great listen thanks for your work in getting this together

 

one thing I did pick up on

Towards the end of the second part, Sorry if some one else has mentioned it too. Ben said that on the drive over he said to Patrick that the next manager's appointment would involve financial implications. The only candidates that I can see involves that is the Oldham boss or the Swindon boss. Given that Swindon have knocked us back does this then suggest it is indeed the Oldham manager is our main target.

 

Re: one thing I did pick up on

Possibly but we don't need to waste money paying compo to other clubs.

Plenty of viable choices out there on the unemployed list

 

well I hope its one of two

Adkins or Rosler. I think Di Canio would certainly alienate the fans a good deal. As said we can do without paying compensation fees for an 'In post' manager too.