I'd keep Burton and Heckingbottom on until the end of the sason

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  1. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

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    I didn't think we were going down under Wilson and although I was worried the sacking might destabilise us, particularly after the Crawley result, it doesn't look like we're going down now. We're going to lose some games, but we'd have lost some if we kept Wilson on and we'll lose some whoever we bring in.

    Adapt this new scoring system, whatever the **** that is, which is used to asses players and use it to asses these two as a managerial team. If they score highly, then interview them in the summer along with any other candidates that have impressed. If Burton and Heckingbottom come out on top after seeing what they're all about and listening to their plans for the future, give them the job. If another candidate appears more suitable then give it to him. But we've no need too rush in to this. We're not in a desperate battle against relegation. We can afford to take our time and get it right so we're not in the same position again this time next season. I'd still argue that we shouldn't be in this position and we should still be assessing what Wilson brought to the club, but it's done now, so let's take stock of where we are.

    We brought in some good young players in the summer and we've got some good academy graduates coming through. Where we failed is that the experienced players we brought in, Lita and Treacy particularly, failed to deliver. Criticise this season all you like, but we're half a dozen good performances from what those two should have been able to offer from being in the play-offs. Let's listen to Burton and Heckingbottom about who they think can perform where Treacy and Lita failed.

    Burton and Heckingbottom don't appear to be doing things that much differently to Wilson, just a couple of tweaks here and there, and as we intend to keep with a similar plan, it makes sense to see if those couple of tweaks make the difference, rather than chucking away the script completely and starting again.

    Let's see if what we've already got is good enough. It can't hurt.
     
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    Thus would seem to be a sensible approach. Therefore there us no chance we will follow it.
     
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    From reading on twitter, it sounds like it might be too late for that. Stories that Johnson travelled back with the team & the deal is practically done.

    Would expect to see some kind of update tomorrow - either way, Burton & Heckingbottom have done a good job of stabilising things and making us look pretty safe against the threat of relegation, particularly after the shambles of the Crawley result.
     
  4. Loko the Tyke

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    There was no pattern to Wilson's tactics, starting line ups, and formations, so in that regard Burton and Hecky have followed that plan. But I think they've done things very differently to Wilson, rather than just a couple of tweaks. The way we're set up to play, the encouragement to the full backs to get forward, the fact when we get the ball wide the player with the ball has options. Crainie overlapped tonight on three, maybe even four occasions. Who's have thought it?

    Tonight with ten men we showed for the ball more than in Wilson's last six game in charge. That is more than a couple of tweaks here and there.

    Regardless of which players failed, and which players performed, Wilson made some truly bizarre decisions which ultimately made Cryne make the decision that he wasn't the man he wanted in charge. Then again, Burton and Hecky think Hourihane can play wide right, and insist on having Scowen wide left, so they're fairly similar on that front too.
     
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    Strange that Loko, he was given dog's abuse for sticking with that diamond formation around New Year. He went 442 v Oldham/Port Vale & Fleetwood but then only changed it for Swindon away (and quickly changed it back at half time).

    Not only that, in the last month of his time 8 players started the last 5 games. The only ones who were dropped were Jennings/Hemmings & Hourihane.

    Wasn't there yesterday but I've no doubt we've seen performances as good as and if not better than last night under Wilson. I've also no doubt we could've got similar results with Danny in charge, saving us a few hundred grand & sacking another manager.
     
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    Exactly what I was thinking this morning. And if we assume, not unreasonably, that the Crawley debacle would not have happened under Wilson as we'd not have been in such disarray, it's entirely conceivable that we could have been sitting here this morning only one point off the play-offs with Danny still in charge.
     
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    We played the majority of the game in a diamond against Fleetwood with Lalkovic at the point. It was a dreadful tactical decision by Danny and was a big reason we lost that game.

    Danny Wilson was sacked because he was massively underperforming. You seriously need to realise that and get over it.
     
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    Today is exactly what happened post Port Vale & Oldham. Two wins, not fantastic performances but folk looking up.
     
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    And that's the reason we're appointing a new manager today. Someone to get the best results and performance out of our young recruitment policy. Which Wilson was failing to deliver on.
     
  10. Loko the Tyke

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    So we can say there were four, maybe five different formations during his games in charge? The diamond was also a 4-3-3 at times, depending on who was playing. That's why I'm saying there wasn't a pattern. Granted you need to change formation time and again for different opposition, or because of player availability, but Danny would have a sequence of games with a formation and then change it. Not sure how this can be defined as a long term strategy?

    He didn't change it at half time versus Swindon. The formation and tactics were the same throughout?

    In terms of personnel, There might have been a core group of players used, but the strikers were rotated regularly, starting when they didn't appear to deserve so, and being dropped when they probably deserved to keep their place. Digby had his best game in a Barnsley shirt, was dropped, and then brought back in three weeks later. Smith on the left wing, Pearson playing wide left for 20 minutes after being man of the match.

    I'm only offering a different view, and Burton and Hecky have been just as random with some of their decision making. However, the overall play has been very different. Last night was far from a fantastic performance, but it had everything about it the last few weeks have been lacking, even in the wins.
     
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    This is the kicker. I was there last night, and there was a big difference in how we approached the game. We went out and tried to attack Scunny in the first half, only being let down by the final ball which as usual was sorely lacking in quality. Second half we did the same and were rewarded with a goal. For the entire game save the last 5 minutes when we were sat back protecting our lead with 10 men, Waring actually had players within 20 yards of him willing to come short for the ball. There were attempts to close players down in their own half rather than wait till they were well inside ours. None of this happened in the previous 7 away games under Wilson (can't comment on the Crawley game as I wasn't there). Even with 10 men we tried killing the game off and would have done but for some poor finishing.

    That's the major difference between Wilson and Burton/Heckingbottom. The latter two set us up to win the game last night, against a team who had comfortably beaten two decent sides in their last two home games. Would Wilson have done the same? On the evidence of this season, definitely not.
     
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    Didn't we win 1 nil v 2 better teams in **** utd and Rochdale with very similar performances or did I imagine that?
     
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    2 guys trying to get the managers job and one trying to hold onto his. When managers come under pressure they tend to go far too defensive.
     
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    We did yes. Then lost the next 6 while barely crossing the half way line.
     

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