Airbus deliberately crashed by co- pilot

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  1. Xer

    Xerxes Well-Known Member

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    According to Marseille's prosecutor.
     
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    It's all theories from what I'm watching so far...I think they just want a conclusion so they are rushing it.
     
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    Was it the pilot who was locked out of the cockpit then?
     
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    Apparently so. With the lock out being deliberate too. The flight crew have a code they can enter to unlock the door unless someone in the cockpit deliberately overrides the code entry and selects lock to keep the door locked for a further 5 minutes. Something he must have done twice.

    There will be an aviation law change as a result of this. Whenever a pilot or copilot leaves the cockpit a member of the cabin crew must enter ensuring nobody is ever alone in the cockpit. 99.9% convinced that will be brought in.
     
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    Never knew that about the entry system - but you are right the co pilot must have deliberately kept the door locked so he must have been fully concious and aware of what he was doing
    its a bit of a surprise is he didnt leave any message on the voice recorder about why. If it was a deliberate terror attack you would expect some "cause" to be claiming credit - and probably the co-pilot to say something

    It goes without saying that its beyond my understanding how anyone could deliberately kill 150 innocent people along with themselves for any reason
     
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    In the new system the pilots have a control with three settings on it. Normal, lock or unlock. The door is in normal mode normally (obviously) and that means it is locked but from the outside a member of the crew can request entry via a telephone system. If the pilots agree to let them in then the cabin member presses a button officially requesting access, an alarm sounds in the cockpit and the pilots select unlock which unlocks the door for a few seconds.
    If the pilots decide not to let them in for whatever reason then they manually set the door to lock which stops anyone gaining access for 5 minutes and also displays a light on the control panel outside the cockpit letting the cabin crew know it is locked.
    In the third situation the cabin crew attempts to contact the pilot for access but finds them unresponsive or in difficulties then they enter an emergency access code which sounds an alarm in the cockpit and gives the pilots 30 seconds to make a decision. Lock or unlock. If after 30 seconds of the cockpit alarm sounding and no decision being made then the door changes from normal to unlocked and the cabin drew can enter.

    The benefits are that it makes it much harder for terrorists to force access but the drawbacks are that a pilot can lock the door and commit suicide.

    If I was going to take a guess, and I am I would say this is a case of suicide where the deaths of everyone else is just collateral damage and they aren't really the intended victims or that the copilot had a grudge against his employers which I something we've seen in the past
     
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    Unfortunately it's not the first time this has happened, I remember a similar scenario happening on an EgyptAir plane a while back. No religious motives to it, just a suicidal pilot.
     
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    And almost certainly the missing Malaysian plane

    And others
    David Kaminski-Morrow, air transport editor of the Flightglobal publication, told Press Association there had been crashes in Mozambique and Japan where something similar had happened. He said: "Usually the cockpit door locks and to get in you have to have to put in a code, but inside there is a simple switch on the control panel the pilot would turn to lock the door.
    He went on: "It looks like this incident has precedent at least consistent with that being a possibility. I'm starting to count the number of fatalities that can be attributed to the cockpit doors and whether its locks are saving lives."
     
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    How would anyone know how many lives have been saved due to terrorists knowing the cockpit is impregnable and therefore not even considering it as an option.
     
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    It isn't though
     
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    Why didn't he commit suicide in a more common way like hanging himself, or taking an overdose. I think he may have wanted the publicity. It might all come out later when the authorities know more about his background.
     
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    Sounds like different airlines have different rules. Some insist air steward sits with pilot before other leaves. This airline decided against it
     
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    First of all, I can't understand how anyone could kill 150 innocent people, but there's another thing that puzzles me. If the co-pilot wanted to commit suicide, why did he choose to "torture" himself and everyone else aboard for 18 minutes, instead of ending it quickly by turning the plane into a fast dive down?

    The BBC story says that the passengers weren't aware of the impending crash until the very last moments, but they must have heard the pilot trying to break the door (and probably shouting at the co-pilot). I can't even imagine what those 18 minutes must have felt like... :(
     
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    It won't. A load of speculation will, but that's all it will be. All they will achieve by researching his background and his family is more pain for his family and they haven't done anything wrong. People from all backgrounds, all religions, all ethnicities sometimes commit horrendous acts of cruelty. There is no link between these people and there is no pattern of behaviour. There's no big secret to why some people hurt others or take their own life. We're born, we live, we die and we suffer along the way. There's no meaning to it, we'll all be long forgotten in the blink of an eye in cosmological terms. Sometimes people realise that, they're in a bad mood and think, '**** it'. And that's it. I know that's depressing, I know people want a reason, but there isn't one.
     
  16. Tomi

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    You're probably right Jay, but who knows, there's always a chance that they might find some link to something that would explain this horrible act. It'll cause pain for his family for sure, but knowing that your son has just murdered 150 people must be just as painful. Not doing a thorough investigation of this murderer would be irresponsible.
     
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    Why?

    Not doing a thorough investigation of the incident would be irresponsible. Not putting strategies in place to prevent this happening again would be irresponsible. But not interrogating his family? What do you think they're going to say that will help? If he's a Christian do we blame Christians? If he's a Muslim do we blame Muslims? If he's an atheist do we blame the lack of God in his life? If he's just split up from his partner do we stop anyone flying a plane who has relationship difficulties. If he's ever been sad do we give the mentally ill another kicking? If he's been on social media claiming he's going to do some atrocious act or his flat is filled with pictures of crashed aeroplanes, fair enough, but the likelihood is they'll be chasing shadows and presenting erroneous conclusions. The black box didn't record his thoughts and no one else on earth knows them.
     
  18. dreamboy3000

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    If the co pilot was a Muslim by stereotype (we don't know for sure that he wasn't one) it would be seen as an act of terrorism.
     
  19. Tomi

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    Well, interrogating his family sounds a bit sinister. (Or maybe it's just my English, but the word has quite a negative ring to me.) But don't you think that the closest people in this guy's life might know some answers for why this tragedy had to happen? In my opinion the relatives of those 150 people deserve some answers. The media will of course jump to all sorts of crazy conclusions based on those answers, but that's a different story.

    Blaming it all on religion would be stupid of course, and knowing about the co-pilots personal problems won't bring the unfortunate passengers back to life, but there's got to be something that might explain his behaviour. Perhaps some of that information might help preventing incidents like this from happening again.

    You say that it's likely that they'd find nothing relevant, and you're probably right about that. But in my opinion "not likely" isn't enough when we're talking about a guy who has murdered 150 people. If there's even a small chance that they might find something relevant or even criminal, surely it's worth investigating. And "investingating" doesn't mean that they should "interrogate" the parents and torture them or anything. I trust that the authorities will know how to handle the situation.
     
  20. Mike Lowry

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    Because he's increasingly looking like the prime suspect in the mass murder of 150 people, including babies and children. I would imagine gaining some understanding of his background and personality profile is about as routine as it gets when someone is suspected of such an horrific crime. I feel that you've over simplified this to the extreme.
     

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