Airbus deliberately crashed by co- pilot

No. Definitely not. You know what those closest to a person who commits suicide usually say when they talk about it? Something along the lines of, "I'm in shock, I can't believe it, I have no idea why he's done such a thing." Sometimes those who kill themselves have been suffering serious mental health issues, but such people aren't allowed to fly a planes, so we know it's not that.

An investigation in to whether or not he was part of a terrorist cell should obviously take place, but trying to figure out his reasons from his background and personality traits? You may as well ask God for guidance.

But don't worry, they will do what you'd like them to do. Almost everyone will agree with you and think I'm talking ballacks. Investigations will take place, piles of money will be spent, thousands of experts will give their two penneth, conclusions may even be drawn, but it'll all be for nowt because none of it will prevent it happening again, none of it will help to identify the next person who decides to kill a load of innocents and stop him before he does and none of it will give any solace at all to any of the victims' families. Hearing that this man's girlfriend didn't love him, or that he was a loaner with few friends, or that his dad left the family when he was at an impressionable age, or that he was a raving devil worshipping loony isn't going to help anyone. But you can be assured that through this investigation there will be plenty of fingers pointed at his family, his friends, his doctor, his employers and anyone else who ever knew him. Probably all entirely innocent but judged guilty by association.

Until you can find a cure for the human condition, the whole thing is just pissing in the wind.

 

What I do know is that 150 lives have been taken and 150 families have been torn apart for no reason whatsoever, and they at least deserve some ******* answers as to how or why this could have happened.

 

There are already news reports where relatives and "friends" of this guy describe him as "obsessed" (with flying) and "burnt out". Once they get over the initial shock, they might start remembering some unusual behaviour or other little details that could provide some crucial information when or if (and that's a big if) the pieces of the puzzle start coming together.

I think it's pretty damn important to find any possible reasons for what could drive a human being to kill 149 innocent people. If it's purely because of mental issues or personal problems, then there might not be any definitive answers (it could be a combination of many little things that finally push the guy "over the edge"), but I think that it's still an important thing to investigate and research. There could be a lot of other reasons too though, but I don't think that it's right for someone like me to speculate about them at this moment. (Of course I also already jumped to the conclusion that the guy is a murderer when there could be another explanation, but after all the current evidence it's pretty hard to convince me that he didn't do this deliberately.)

I'm no crime solver or a psychiatrist, but since you can't interrogate this guy anymore as he's dead, surely investigating the history and life of a mass murderer and questioning his close ones is the next best thing to find out what could possibly go on inside a mass murderer's head? Is all money spent on researching mental issues/illnesses (or "finding a cure for the human condition", as you put it) "wasted money" then? There'll be some bullsh*t "experts" coming up with all sorts of crazy theories, that's for sure (someone will blame it on a computer game that the guy played as a kid, and another will blame it on the difficult relationship that the guy had with his aunt's dog), but they might come up with something useful as well. I would have thought that you're pretty much the last person to say that researching this sort of a thing is just nonsense.

 

The media will do their own "investigation" and dig up all the dirt that they can possibly find, and publish their findings without any thought for the relatives and friends of this man. And those relatives and friends will suffer because of it, and that is indeed sad and wrong. But that has got nothing to do with the official investigation that is (or should be) done by proper authorities and professionals.

It's sad that this guy's family has to suffer, but he's a murderer, and it'd be really quite odd if the police and other authorities didn't investigate the house where the murderer lived for example.

 

Do you know anyone with a profession they love (not a job, but a profession) who isn't a little bit obsessed with it and a bit knackered? If they're not a bit obsessed, why are they spending so much time working? In fact, do you know anyone over the age of 30 who isn't a bit knackered? Or, close to burn out as people say after the fact. This is exactly what I'm talking about. It's happening already already and it's just ********.

If I thought there were answers to be gotten then absolutely, a thorough investigation should take place. But there simply aren't any answers to be had.

I'm not saying don't speak to his family at all, of course you should. But people are expecting that to bring about a resolution, to help us all understand what has happened. Consequently there will be pressure on the investigation team and as the man is dead, his family and friends is where the pressure will be released. It will lead to nothing other than terrible theories because there isn't a reason, there is no understanding to be gained, the families of the deceased will never get the answers they want. Unless he is part of a terrorist group, which is different.

If I know it's a waste of time, why would I argue it should happen? The only reason it takes place is to placate people, because that's what they think should happen, and I don't sign up for that kind of response. I want a response that will actually help.

 

The pilots training was haalted for a few months before they judged him fit for flying. For me how much of an investigation there is should depend on why his training was halted. If it was physical then fair enough if it was medical then thats a different kettle of fish.

The other problem they have is that they will never know for sure it was deliberate. It is plausible (but unlikely) that he suffered some kind of mental blackout where he had no idea what he was doing.

 

Would the crash have happened if the pilot hadn't left the **** pit. Or would it just have been a matter of time with the co-pilot waiting for his chance. If the pilot hadn't left the **** pit at that particular time and went later on the plane might have crashed into a more populated area like a big city.

 

I actually agree with a lot that you say, but I don't get this "it's not worth investigating" attitude. A guy kills himself and 149 people, and it's just waste of time to try to find out why? You can't just ignore something like that and keep your fingers crossed that it won't happen again. Of course there's no need to over-react (ban all pilots who play violent video games! ban all pilots who have divorced within the last ten years! ban all pilots whose parents or any friends/relatives have died within the last twenty years!) but there's got to be something that can be done.

So it's either an act of terrorism, or just an ordinary every-day mental breakdown that's not even worth investigating further ("only" 150 died after all), and definitely nothing else? How do you know for sure that there aren't any other motives? There are 149 cases of murder (I'm aware that that's probably not the correct legal term) to investigate!

Obviously we'll never know what went through the co-pilot's mind when he decided to lock the other pilot out and terminate his awful plan, but the people close to him could probably give some possible reasons to what may have triggered the act of madness. Or the investigators could find some new evidence of criminal activity or cryptic messages about his mad plan hidden in his belongings, or the man next door could have drugged the guy because he had an affair with his wife, or...

If I had lost someone close to me in that crash, I think I'd want to hear of any kind of motives for the crime. I'd be mad if the authorities just decided to ignore the whole thing because it's not worth it.

 

If it's true that the co-pilot kept activating the locking system so that the other guy couldn't get back in even with the access code, then I find it quite hard to argue that it was not deliberate.

 

The co-pilot probably took his first and only chance to commit his crime, so he must have been waiting for it, but sadly we'll never know for sure. I have a feeling that it wasn't a premeditated murder, but a premeditated suicide, one of those tragically sad cases where the one who decides to kill themselves just doesn't give a shít about other people that they put in danger.

But yeah, this disaster could have been something even worse if the guy had really wanted to maximise the body count.

 

How can anybody really know how another persons mind works. You've only got to look at the Yorkshire Ripper. His own wife didn't know what he was capable of.

 

With all the speculation going on it sounds to me that the bloke has been contemplating suicide but hadn't meticulously planned it and as soon as an opportunity came along he took it. Whether the prospect of crashing it into a populated area never occurred to him or in his surprised opportunity he panicked and just crashed the plane or whatever reason he had will never be known.for all we know he may have bottled out on numerous other occasions but a statistic on radio today has put into perspective his actions and that is one of these types of plane takes off somewhere in the world every two seconds and the vast majority go without any incidences whatsoever.hopefully this fact will be in the fore of my mind next time I fly.

 

You can bet your life that if he was a muslim it would be all over the news about it and that would be claimed to be the reason, so we don't get to know his religion because there's nothing for the media to jump all over.

 

If it was an act of terrorism why didn't the co pilot bide his time and crash the plane in more populated area, thus causing the maximum damage.

 

IMHO you're letting the severity of the crime cloud your judgement on what you believe can be achieved. If this guy had taken his own life and I said to you that you'll never understand why he did it, you'd more than likely agree with me. Well, this guy did take his own life, and another 150 with him, and you'll never understand why he did it. The fact that he took 150 with him doesn't make it any more likely you'll understand why. Throwing £millions at it and hundreds of experts doesn't make it any more likely that you'll understand why. You're more likely to get an answer, but not the right one. So we can go through the process, again, and come to poor conclusions, again, and the next time, and the time after and the time after that, or, we accept that people do unpredictable things, sometimes terrible things, and no amount of time in the psychiatrists couch is going to stop that. Rather than waste time and money asking why, rather than give the families of the deceased false hope that they're going to get answers, let's put all that money and effort in to devising a system that incorporates the unpredictable behaviour of human beings and prevents such a tragedy ever happening again while at the same time protects us from terrorism.

If you get bogged down with the why, it's because you believe that behaviour can be controlled in future. It can't. There will be no predictors the next time it happens. No one will be saved from asking why he did it. Many people will be saved if we accept that anyone is capable of this, that the why doesn't matter, it's the opportunity that counts. Take away that opportunity.

And for what it's worth, if someone else had done this last week, the guy who did it today would have told you without even the slightest hesitation, with every ounce of conviction he could muster, believing absolutely every word he uttered, that there's no way on earth he could ever do such a thing.

You can't find out why if the person who did it doesn't know why.

I don't like Mondays.

 

But if you say...

Perp was obviously an undiagnosed psychopatholical/spontano-suicidal,who-cares/mass murderous cleanskin from a nice home in a nice part of town.*

We'll spend tonnes never finding out why he did it and it'll only upset the family.*

So let's shut it down, lads...

Sounds like South Yorks Police and Mayor Quimby could be running the show

 

I'm not talking about shutting anything down. I'm talking about taking the investigation in to areas that will actually make a difference rather than concentrating on some airy fairy nonsense that will cost £millions but do no one any good, because people believe the why is in important, but can't give any justification for that.

"But the families deserve answers!"

I'm not arguing with that, I'm saying they're not going to get them and any they do get won't help them in the slightest anyway, so what's the point?

The chances are the investigation will conclude he was depressed. He'd been working too hard, not spending enough time with friends or loved ones, a relationship might have gone sour and you'll probably hear about a few incidents when he was kid. If your family had died in this air crash, would any of that information help you come to terms with it? My wife and kids are dead, but this guy was locked in his room by his dad when a teenager so it's alright. What could the investigation team possibly find out that would help you come top terms with the tragedy? What answers are out there that will provide solace or closure? What answers are out there that will stop it happening again if the current system is kept in place? So, what's the point?

But it's worse than that, because they'll get it wrong. If someone investigated your life, they key incidents, testimony from friends and loved ones, they'll come up with a theory of what motivates you, but if they put it to you, you wouldn't have a clue what they were talking about. The incidents they put to you you may barely remember, while the one thing that still burns a hole in your soul isn't even touched upon. All you get when you investigate the life of a person are the events that are important to the people you interview, not those important to the person you are investigating. You don't get to know those without asking him and he's dead. It's an exercise in futility.

What isn't an exercise in futility is recognising that something went drastically wrong and 150 people died. Until we come to terms with the fact that we can't predict human behaviour, that we will never know why some people do these terrible things, then they will continue to happen. If we recognise that fact and put systems in place that take the unpredictability of human beings out of the equation when so many lives depend on the system then we can stop it happening again. Spending £millions trying to find out why it happened is going in the completely opposite direction. It's the continued belief that we can do something about it and that way of thinking will allow this to happen again.

Most people who commit these one off mass murders die in the process. When the few that don't are asked why they did it they change their mind almost every time they're asked. Their stories constantly change. This is because they themselves don't know why they did it and they're struggling to give a reason, so it changes to something that makes sense until someone points out that isn't consistent with what actually happened so they change their mind again. If the perpetrator doesn't know, what chance have an investigation team when the perpetrator is dead?

 

So to sum up, no point in investigating a mass murderer's mental history because*you know for a fact that such inquiries never shed any light on anything or bring about meaningful changes in future policy.*
I bow to your oracle-like wisdom.

 

Hasn't it just been found out that he had two ripped up sick notes from the doctor in his house signing him off, one of which was for that day, but he came into work anyway? It looks like this investigation is turning something up then and it also may help prevent this from happening in the future if the policy can be changed so that sick notes are passed directly on to them or something.