Supporter Liaison

Hi All
At our weekly meeting on Thursday we have a representative from South Yorkshire Police. Does anyone have any queries regarding policing at football matches.
Sarah

 

yes I do...

ask him this..

when a set of fans erupt to violence or pitch invasions or whatever... why is it the Football club gets fined and punished, not just on about Barnsley FC here..but it seems all clubs get penalised and for what .. obeying orders... surely the ones who failed are the Steward company and the Police. I am led to believe that the club is told by outside bodies as to what the amount of stewarding is required also that the Police advise as to how much Police too, maybe even the St Johns too advise as to how many first aiders/para medics... Therefore IF the club takes on the levels of manning of those resources then they have done their duty to the public attending and to the local populace surrounding... I am saying it is the bodies who advise on the safety level and security who should be the ones to be penalised and not the football club. How is it right that you get disciplined for doing what you have been told to do.

 

Re: yes I do...

thank you for this I will take this forward to the meeting

 

Why do the Police recommend taking bottle tops off pop bottles sold in the ground when the evidence suggests the bottles are not used as missiles, and this is not a universal 'law' of safety at stadia.

 

Hi Sarah.

Sheff Wed played Rotherham & Huddersfield at Hillsborough, Rotherham played Sheff Wed at NY Stadium. Sheff Utd played us at home - all 3pm Saturday kick offs. Why is it only Barnsley that has to inconvenience its supporters by moving KO times and restricting ticket sales ?

Is Oakwell & the surrounding area somehow more difficult for SYP to manage ?

 

Yes. For the Sheffield united match for example did the police force the kick off time or would that have been merely a recommendation?

What is the logic behind banning the sale of alcohol in the ground and then recommending a bar just 100 yards away to the very same supporters? Is a pint in a concrete concourse more intoxicating than the same pint next to a swimming pool?

What is the police's opinion on 'this is a message a message'? Do they feel that the announcement about out on their behalf are clear enough for the supporters to understand? If not why has nothing been done by the police to ensure that the messages are read out in a manner which the public can clearly understand and make sense of?

Traffic management. When supporters leave the ground isn't their safety the responsibility of the police? Why do other south Yorkshire clubs have police officers on the highways directing traffic while at Barnsley it is a case of fend for yourself with chaos all around?

The train station and in particular the jumble lane crossing has long since been an area for flashpoints and disturbance between supporters. What is being done to prevent this as seemingly all that happens is supporters of both teams are herded into this area which only serves to cause the problem not prevent it.

Last game of the season. Why do the police make no proactive attempt to prevent pitch invasions and consequently breaches of the law?

Against Sheffield united several smoke bombs or flares were thrown from the ground while a small army of police stood watching. Why were these supporters throwing incindiary devices not arrested on the spot? If the policy was to wait till after the game and then arrest them at home (as in previous instances) isn't that a very unsafe policy when the police had no idea if the same person was going to throw a second or third smoke bomb?

 

Also do the police charge the same amount for all clubs for policing? is x amount of money per police officer in attendance? If so how much? If not why not? How is the total cost calculated and is the costing system available for public viewing?

 

Do they think it's appropriate to back horses into crowds that include small children to herd people about?

 

Two queries from myself, whether they can be collated into a viable question I don't know.

1. Given the understandable tendency for the police to more actively survey the away crowd rather than home supporters at most grounds, why in Barnsley do away supporters seemingly get a free ticket to miss-behave, whilst home fans are under constant scrutiny? Recent examples being Sheff Utd fans setting off smoke bombs (whilst police activity focus on the East Stand); Preston fans invading the playing area and breaking ground regulations in the North Stand (whilst police cameras focus on the Ponty); Preston fans kicking over programme sellers stand and drinking on the street (whilst police cameras followed Barnsley fans up to the turnstiles). I could go on.

2. Yes we have a growing reputation as a 'lively' set of supporters, or at least a section of fans do... but does SYP actually believe we are in some way the new Millwall? Or do they understand that a relatively small group of young lads acting stupid is a world away from the violent disorder we unfortunataly have heard about from elsewhere in the country? Surely the latter is plain to see?

Perhaps those points come across more as rants/moans than questions, but thought I'd have my input

 

one saying springs to mind

Pro Rata

 

Re: yes I do...

It's a fair point this.

Why is the club liable for the fans' behaviour?

On the same principle, if a member of the public goes into a shop and buys a knife and then stabs someone, should the shop be forced to pay damages? Of course not. Why then should the club who sells tickets for away games to members of the public (not even for their own profit) pay for damaged seats? It should be the responsibility of the stadium owner to have CCTV so they can catch the offenders and make them pay.

 

The general question of what is the police responsibility before, during and after a game and what's different from normal conditions to a big game

 

I think everyone is missing the point here. This is a meeting with syp do you honestly think your going to get any truth in their replies

They will make it up as they go along to justify their actions

One of the most pointless meetings I can ever imagine




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J

Of course but asking the questions and seeing how they respond is just as important as the answers themselves. Bit like a public enquiry.

 

96 families in Merseyside have been waiting for the truth so what chance do little old Barnsley have




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Sad but very true I would love to be in that meeting but I would probably be banned from attending matches and locked up for the night

Good luck to the people involved


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