James McLean being a bit of an idiot again..

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  1. Dys

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    Fair play to the lad. Some courage in his convictions.
     
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    It doesn't actually bother me a great deal but I think it makes him look stupid because he hasn't simply decided not to partake in the anthem, he's actively and deliberately tried to disrespect it.

    I don't always agree with minutes silences at football but I keep quiet out of respect for everyone else. I just think about something else. I wouldn't dream of deliberately shunning it and making a scene out of actively making sure everyone knows I'm not partaking.

    And the most stupid part of what he did is that he didn't actually turn his back on **** al did he the anthem was coming out of all the speakers on all sides of the stadium
     
    SuperTyke, Jul 20, 2015
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    If he has such strong beliefs then why would he live and work amongst the people he obviously has no respect for. He appears very hypocritical to say the least.
     
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    Whether you agree or not, the man's a complete ****** who has purposely tried to make himself the centre of attention at a football match.
    The Irish national team don't turn their backs during the UK national anthem at any sport so what purpose does this knobhead think it serves.
    What next, carrying a banner onto the pitch extolling his support of the IRA?
    He'll deservedly get dog's abuse wherever he plays in England.
     
    Simon De Montforte, Jul 20, 2015
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    Just because he doesnt respect what the national anthem stands for doesn't mean hes hypocritical, with respect to yourself surely the above comments are speculation and assumptions on your part and are attained and bourne through your own freedom of belief. Dont you think he would be more of a hypocrite if he stood and honored some thing he strongly disagrees with.
     
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    Bit surprised that if he feels even looking at the Union flag is disrespecting the Catholic victims of the troubles , he's signed for a Birmingham club, a city historically not associated with being tolerant to Irish Catholics
     
    Durkar Red, Jul 21, 2015
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    No football fan has ever disrespected a national anthem :-/
     
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    i'm very surprised at the amount of support he's getting, tbh. mebbi i'll sing through the next minute silence at oakwell, see what response i get? see how much support i get, when i say i don't know the guy, don't see why i should be quiet and it's against my beliefs? mebbi i'll boo, the next time the army parade round oakwell, in protest at our part in the iraq war? mebbi the next time we play ireland in any kind of sport, the entire team should turn their backs on their anthem, see how that goes down?

    you could go on for ever, with examples of how and why you could refuse to show respect, based on your belief system. i suspect the world wouldn't be a very nice place to be, if everyone behaved that way.

    interesting debate though..
     
    Marc, Jul 21, 2015
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    Or maybe if people acted out on their principles rather than hiding in the crowd we might live in a more progressive world.
     
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    Depends on the principle, surely? IS seem to hold that very same opinion..
     
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    "Disobedience is man's original virtue" Oscar Wilde.

    Maybe he should have hid his homosexuality and carried on pretending to be straight then he wouldn't have ended up in the nick.
     
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    so what about the principles of the nigerian people? should we support their principles, by supporting their anti-gay legislation? of course we don't..
     
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    I presume you're making reference to the Birmingham six?
     
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    "we are here not because we are lawbreakers but because we wish to become law makers" Emmeline Pankhurst.

    Bloody woman protesting against the norms of society and wanting the vote. Maybe they should have shushed.

    Nigerians? Not a articulate apposite example. Do I agree no. Do they have the right to express their opinions of course. Otherwise who decides who is 'allowed to express an opinion

    Isis is a poor example as they believe in violence which is different to peaceful protest.
     
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  15. Marc

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    au contraire. i think IS and Nigeria are perfect examples. my point was not all principles should be supported. it sounds like you agree.
     
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    Jimmy viz Well-Known Member

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    I would have thought the difference between violent protest and peaceful protest is pretty straight forward or am I being obtuse?

    I don't agree with the EDL but I think they should say their piece. Does that rigjt extend to physically attacking muslims errr no.
     
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    No I've watched Peaky Blinders so I'm an expert !
     
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