According to some reports in tomorrow's papers

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  1. Jack Tatty

    Jack Tatty Well-Known Member

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    Chelsea will have to break the British transfer record for a defender to secure the services of Evertons John Stones.



    I suspect they probably will.
     
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    Jack Tatty Well-Known Member

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    So is it 15% or 25% of any profit made on him that we receive?
     
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    Only a very select few know the answer to that question.
     
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    I guess, like all transfers, it is going to come down to whether Stones wants to go there, because if he really wants to go Everton won't be able to keep him and Chelsea know that eventually they will reach a price that Everton are happy with, as they have the financial clout to do so. I'd be very surprised if other teams, particularly Man United, don't show interest too though, because if they allow him to join Chelsea this time they'll never get the chance again. The only place Stones is going to go from Chelsea is one of the Spanish big boys, because in two or three years time he'll be an England regular, if not captain, and he will have won a few trophies and awards. Only Barcelona or Real Madrid will be able to afford him. Please, please, please Everton put a variety of clauses on any deal with Chelsea. Could keep the money trickling in to us for years this!
     
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    why would money keep coming to us if theres clauses on a deal with chelsea if everton do sell him?
     
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    If we have a deal with Everton to get x% of any future profit and they put clauses for additional fees from Chelsea, anything extra they receive will be part of the future profit from our deal, hence we will get the same percentage of that. Example, if Chelsea sign him for £32.2m Everton will have made £30m profit, so we get our percentage of that. If they also put in a clause whereby they owe Everton £5m every time they win the league if Stones plays 75% of the games we get a percentage of that £5m. Then if Everton put in a sell on clause and Chelsea sell him to Barcelona for, say, £82.2m, Everton get a cut of the £50m profit and we get a cut of Everton's cut.

    Okay, 15% of 15% of whatever profit Chelsea may make may be relatively low in modern football terms, but if we're still kicking round in League One a few hundred thousand would be a nice little bonus.

    It's a bit like one of those pyramid schemes.
     
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    Looks like 34 million will be the price
     
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    30k a week. he'll triple that at chelsea. crackers innit.
     
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    Is anyone actually confident we have a sell on clause greater than 10%?
     
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    People are quoting anything between 5 and 50%

    Personally, i don't want to know, because then every other club will knów and they will hike their prices up when little old Barnsley come calling.
     
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    I wouldn't mind 50%!!
     
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    It's about time Johnson started splashing the cash now. I'm sure he would be able to get a bridging loan to tide us over. :)
     
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    Apparently the sell-on clause if 15%

    So £34m from Chelsea would net us £5.1m: that's higher than the highest amount we have ever received for a player (Ashley Ward)
     
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    When he was originally sold I asked an agent on Twitter what the expected sell on see would be and was told that generally it's anywhere between 15% and 25%. Here's a little 'what if?' table :)

    [TABLE="class: grid, width: 221, align: center"]
    <tbody>[TR]
    [TD="align: center"]Fee and %[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]£30m[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]£34m[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]15%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]£4.5m[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]£5.1m[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]20%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]£6m[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]£6.8m[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]25%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]£7.5m[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]£8.5m[/TD]
    [/TR]
    </tbody>[/TABLE]


    Add in the original £2.5m and the final fee would be between £7.6m and £11m. (Presuming it's a £34m deal)
     
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    Plus whatever we get for Holgate n Digby.
     
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    Isnt the percentage only on the profit though and not the sun total?

    Eg If we sold Stones for £2.2million and Everton sold him for £30 million we would get a percentage of £27.8 million.
     
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    Do we actually think Digby will be off?

    I can see Rochdale or Bury for 50k. But Man Utd for a substantial fee just wouldn't make sense.
     
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    Good point and I don't rightly know the answer. This would go back to how much we originally paid for him, which I thought was £2.5m, but papers (and his wiki) quote £3m.
     
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