Expectations

Although we have a decent manager & a few exceptional prospects this is the weakest squad Barnsley FC have had since Bobby Doyle was captain.

This is not a negative post, merely a recognition of where we are, in the hope that we don't sack another manager in November, when more than likely we will be in the bottom half of the table.

If we finish anywhere from 8th to 16th & have developed some of our own players we will have done well.

Sadly the loan players will move elsewhere if they do well, as at the moment we do not have a pot to urinate into.
Other than keeping us out of the relegation places they serve no purpose to us.

Our only hope seems to be Stones being sold for 40 million or so & out of the 5-6 million us having a million or so to buy a few players.

You Reds.

 

I don't see the need for posts like this

LJ has stated we are a work in progress and PC said only last week he will not sack the manager as long as he is chairman.

We have made some good signings , we still need more everyone understands that, our only hope is not stones being sold, its playing like we did last week against Everton more regularly than playing like we did at Rochdale.

chin up!

 

Completely agree. Apart from the Bobby Doyle bit as I wasn't going then.

This squad is weaker than the one we had under Gudjon when we couldn't sign players. We still did better in the transfer market.

 

I think our squad was weaker the year we were relegated from the championship. There is a lot of room for improvement in this squad but in terms of squad attributes I think this one is much better than the shower of ***** that Wilson inherited

 

Haven't got a pot to piss in. Well apart from the fact we must be one of the richest clubs in the league

 

Patrick Cryne isn't the chairman is he? Thought it was Maurice Watkins.....

 

I don't get you on this.

My post isn't one of negativity, but one of patience.

People were moaning after the Rochdale match, but with the squad we have we are gonna have other days like that. We don't have players on the bench that are screaming for a place now & it is the start of the season. Wake up & smell the coffee old pal.

 

sorry Mr P. Dantic , whilst he's owner then.

 

I really thought your opening line set the tone of the post , I don't believe this is the weakest squad since Bobby Doyle. Its not great I admit that though, I think we both feel the same, the team wont win every game, we must let them grow, add more quality as soon a we can but not get despondent when we lose.

Id love us to won every game, it wouldn't matter who played for us we wouldn't do that, some of the manic depressives fail to realise that

 

We owe Pat Cryne about 6 million or so from memory?

Club has to stand on own two feet, so can hand back to fans.

PISS.....
POT

 

Hasn't Patrick cryne stated that he doesn't want any money back when the club is sold? In fact just the other week it was stated that he had gifted the club money rather than loaned it. I don't understand how we can be anything other than self sufficient when you look at the ages and size of our squad and the lack of money invested in the stadium compared to our stated fan revenue and income from player sales.

 

He has been subbing us from day one. Every year in the ale league we lose more money. Hence we cut our cloth.

Danger is we sack the manager again & repeat previous ****.

Not critisising LJ or Cryne. Just if your read what came out of the trust meetings & the spending people need to curb their expectations, which was the idea of the thread.

 

I think generally we are singing from the same hymn sheet.

I can't remember a weaker squad (not the first team), the squad. Since 1976. You look at the bench and there are zero options now. This is before injuries / suspensions kick in.

 

Couldn't disagree more with most of this.

I don't think the squad he's built will challenge for promotion but he's repeatedly said this team's good enough to challenge for promotion, he's repeatedly said that players we've signed have been chased by championship clubs so by his own standards we should be challenging for play offs at a minimum this season.

Your point about finishing between 8th & 16th & developing our own players applied to last season not this one where we have loads debuts & runs in the team.

He's clearly not keen on developing our own talent. He'll play a centre back over Smith, has signed a RB with championship aims over Bree & has signed that many midfielders Digby & Abbott are never going to get a league game.

Instead we'd rather develop other teams kids.

And the money's clearly there, bids for O'Sullivan, Smith etc. Bought Mawson. Sold Holgate for anything between 1 & 2m according to rumours & no championship wages on the books.

 

Lj is a head coach - not a manager. Is this a clever use of words by PC?

 

Can understand why you think this and football is all about opinions but can't help but disagree with most of that.

With the squad we've got, we should be top 10 minimum. We have improved greatly on the squad we had last year and we finished 11th with that! Looking at our signings, Marley Watkins is a Championship player in the waiting and will not be here if we still are in League 1 in a year or two. Michael Smith is one of the best strikers in the league and he won't be going anywhere as we've got first dibs on him. Regarding the defence, Reece Wabara is a superb full back at this level and will only get better as he hasn't had a pre season and Marc Roberts and Alfie Mawsom have already showed in a Barnsley shirt they will be nothing less than good League 1 defenders at least in their young careers (especially Mawson).

I really cannot think of anyone we have who is not good enough for a top ten team in this league and that shows the strength of our squad. Yes, we could maybe still sign another striker but in Johnson we have a manager who potentially could get us out of this league.

Again, football is about opinions and anything above 11th is an improvement on last season and as long as we've challenged the play offs again, I'd be fairly happy. Just like yourself, I agree with the fact some Barnsley fans need to be a little bit more patient as days like Rochdale on Saturday will be more often than previous years because of the lack of experience. But I also see us hammering sides more often than previous years with the quality we have in our side.

 

I don't disagree with this either, other than pointing out Smith & Wabara are loanees & options are just that. The parent club still holds their contracts.

I think we'll see some cracking games this season, but also some frustrating runs, simply due to lack of experience & squad strength.

I'm merely saying that for once we should stick with a young manager who could do something in the long run, but has limited means to work with at present.

 

Thinking about the teams we have had since 1976 it's hard to argue with the original poster. Only really the team that Gudjohn cobbled together can be seen as on a par. Not being critical just saying things as I see them. I think we will finish roughly where we are now in the league as I'm not really witnessing much on field progress on the pitch at the minute. Our squad is threadbare we have a good starting 11/12 but nothing beyond that. Expectations should be realistic. Develop our young players and avoid any hint of relegation,

 

If you strip this team to the bare bones you see a bunch of young kids who given time will only get better, didn't LJ say that it would take him 3 windows to get the team to somewhere like he wanted it to be??. He now has time to bring these lads on until the next window opens and he can go for his next targetted players. We must show patience or we will carry on like previous years where we sack the manager, a new one comes in and we are back to square one. Keep the faith

Happy clapper

 

Can't anyone express their opinions on here without being castrated for it? seems to me if you disagree that much then just don't reply rather than getting into a never ending circle of insults.