Are we really that negative.

Just been checking a few stats from this season.In only 3 games we've had less possession than our opponents and in only 3 games have we had fewer goal attempts.Are we confusing negative play with our failure to score more of our chances.?

 

Is that all games or league games?

We may have lots of possession but how much of it is just meandering around our own third of the pitch?

 

I dont think we have had many matches this season when we have tried to be attacking?
We may have had plenty of possession, just like under Hill, but we dont try to get into the final third, we seem very happy just to play tippy tappy football going no where !
Possession means bugger all, I dont think we have played any good team yet, but we dont seem to want to push on and put teams away. Blackpool being a prime example. Plenty of possession in the first half, a couple of chances to score, but in the main happy enough to piss about with the ball, the second half we nearly paid the price for not going for the jugular when we had the chance.

 

This sums it up for me.

 

Yes.

 

Be bored. Be Barnsley.

 

Arrrr........but !!!

Is it Barnsley ???

Or is it......... just how the technocrats of the game want the game to be played............because on the face of it EVERY team in England is playing this 4-5-1 formation.

On a television football programme this weekend it showed a Man United goal that had about 40 passes in it before they scored..........the commentators were saying how good it was..............in my opinion it was utterly foooking boring football

So - are we asking the manager of Barnsley to play a style of football that is no longer relevant to the modern game ???

 

I just want attacking, entertaining, attempting to win football. We're further away from that after changing manager, again. But this division is weaker than its been in years and maybe we'll bore our way up?

 

Just shows us that having more possession in a game dunt fetch in the points, I would say playing hoofball would make the amount of goal attempts improve because we would be spending more time in an area of the pitch that matters. Maybe Lee could think of a new name for this area of the pitch. The coaching books out of the window zone or the third of maximum impact.

 

There was a few choice comments in the game between Bradfud and Blunts........about space thats created in midfield when a big target man is playing along side another striker.

LJ will know all about this........but like I said, the football technocrats judge that the 4-5-1 wins games............but by playing this system, is it killing the game as a spectacle for the supporters?

I'm sure most English football fans like the 3 or 4 touches followed by a strike at goal...........they definitely do NOT want to see tippy tappy football that involves 40+ passes with the ball ending up back with the goalkeeper

With LJ I was under the impression, with what I had read, that he was an attacking type of manager in a similar mould to Hollaway - but he has turned out to be another Keith Hill to add to all the other Keith Hills in English football

 

I don't think we've been that negative in our play. There's been little spells of brilliance and some great individual performances this season.

But then again, I totally get the apathy on this board because I'm feeling it too. The atmosphere at Oakwell was like a church at times when we were in the Championship, whereas these days its more like a morgue! I'm also struggling to get too excited when we score a goal in this division, unless we're away. The only time I can remember getting that type of buzz this season was at the Everton game (which I have to say, I will remember for a long time to come).

Again, I don't think we've been THAT bad and the team's definitely got potential but I think it's just that everyone's soo sick and tired of League1! And we're only part way through our second season.. I think things might feel a little different if we were fighting in the top 3 or 4 but at the moment we're just not good enough for that. Which is a worry, because our budget - so we're told - suggests we should be.

 

64% possession in 1st half at Blackpool, they were there for the taking. 1-0 up early doors and we sit back playing keep ball.

 

Yep. We're really that negative.

Look at George Smith. People screaming at him to run with the ball or pass it forward at the weekend.

Instead, he turns back, and plays a safe pass. Why? In my view, because the attacking side of his game has been coached out of him.

 

For me a more telling stat would be number of shots and shots on target.
I'm in the camp that believes that we have some really talented players who are being stifled by tactics and would prefer just to go at the opposition and let them worry about us for a change.

 

Or maybe the fans putting a heap of pressure on a 19 year old and therefore he loses the confidence to run forward. It was hardly motivating from the fans, more like abuse.

I've never heard fans turn the way they did against Blackpool, last season people preached patience with a young team but this season everyone is expecting us to play brilliantly and win almost every game. LJ is trying to get us to play attacking football but it isn't that simple and 2 up front isn't automatically more attacking than 1 up front, it's more about the philosophy which seems to be penetrative possession football. We've shown glimpses of that but it hasn't clicked yet which isn't surprising at all as it is only September. Funnily though the sides that played attacking football and got promoted last season had stuck with their manager for a couple of years. Kinda sums up why Barnsley won't achieve anything anytime soon because of the attitude of an increasing percentage of the fans.


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Depends how you define negative.

We enjoy a lot of possession and complete a lot of passes, which many would describe as positive football, but all too often we achieve these stats by choosing to play the ball sideways or backwards, keeping possession, rather than forwards to create a chance, but at risk of losing the ball.

It appears that many managers these days are concerned by how many passes their team complete in a game and what percentage of the game their team were in possession, often quoting these statistics in press conferences.

I primarily care about goals: stopping the opposition scoring while scoring plenty ourselves.

Secondary to that I care about creating chances: limiting the opposition to as few as possible while making plenty for ourselves. For instance, last season against Crewe in the cup we created dozens of chances, but our finishing was off, while Crewe created just a few but scored two of those. I was disappointed that we lost the game, but I could see that we were the better team, I enjoyed a lot of our play and I was sure that over the course of the season we would outperform Crewe.

Thirdly, I care about good attacking and solid defensive football, which will inevitably lead to us achieving the two previous points. Two quality forward passes beats two hundred sideways or backwards passes. A winger beating two men and crossing the ball is far more exciting than keeping possession in the middle third of the pitch for five minutes. Two passes from back to front and a shot, with possession of the ball only lasting 10 seconds, is much more enjoyable football than keeping the ball for ten minutes with no end product.

I do not give a flying **** about how long we keep possession of the ball or how many passes we complete. It has zero impact on how much I enjoy the game and it has nothing to do with winning football matches. I would say that being preoccupied with retaining the ball rather than scoring goals is a negative mindset from the start because it loses perspective of what football is all about.

The opposition might not be able to score if you're in possession, but football managers appear to have lost sight of the fact that their own team can't score if they're not in the final third of the pitch; possession football using players of League 1 standard rarely gets you there.

 

Totally agree

 

Ah yes I forgot, playing slick attacking football happens overnight and doesn't take months/years of fine tuning. How silly of me.

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I've just played my first match on FIFA 16, as Barnsley against Gillingham. And I **** you not, as Martin Tyler went through the starting lineups he said "and they again line up in what looks a negative formation.. what do you think to the 4-5-1, Alan?" to which Alan Smith rambled on about needing quick wide players etc.

I literally laughed out loud.

We drew 1-1. Winnall had no support. Saw plenty of possession like.

 

We are dull as dull can be...dull dull dull

hth from dullsville