Are we good judges

Are we as Barnsley fans or is it just this forum, good judges of what is right for Barnsley, or is it our management team.
Keith Hill, got Rochdale promoted, and now pushing for it again. Flitcroft, pulled Bury out of oblivion and got them promoted, now in top six pushing for championship. Micky Mellon got Shrewsbury up and playing as a team, beat us. Carnie shoved out and now playing well at Huddersfield.
Makes one ponder???

 

Certainly not this forum.

 

Putting it we are not good judges but I'm still pleased we haven't got them bell ends at the club so I'm not bothered

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i am an ace judge....you're all amateurs I am afraid.

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See how they both go in the championship

 

You have the management picking:

Davey - ran out of steam but overall did well - time to go
Robins - overall did well but wanted more funds (?) - time to go
Hill - his PR made it impossible to keep him
Flitcroft - worked wonders but picking his aged mate in goal etc. and seemed lost - made it impossible to keep him
Wison - took us down with a whimper and had us playing mediocre football in a league below - fish eyes made it impossible to keep him

Wilson - who could perhaps have been given till the end of the season - is the only termination I think that was perhaps fully arguable.

Time to keep this one for a fair while - even if it is because he talks a good game.

 

I think some people pre judge and end up wanting the manager to fail to justify there criticism.They then can claim "I told you so".

 

Regarding Wilson's second spell. We were in a relegation fight prior to that 5-1 hammering at Crawley and deserved to be sacked. He had from December to the summer to being his own lads in and he did that to a point. Unfortunately he had no idea what his best team was and dropped points against sides we should have been comfortably beating, We did right getting rid of him.

 

He talks utter ********. We shouldnt keep him or anyone for longer than they deserve just to appease certain people over how long our managers get on average.




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I don't remember having a say in any decision the football club has ever made. There's no reason I should have a say, but equally my judgement should not be called in to question because what I think has no bearing on what happens. It's someone else's judgement and I may not agree with any of it.

 

Is that always the case though? Obviously no individual fan's viewpoint taken in isolation is going to make a jot of difference, but what about the general mood of the fans, as perceived by the powers at the club? I could be completely wrong here, but I suspect that it does have some bearing on the decisions made.

 

If all the ground, or a significant number, are singing and chanting for the removal of the manager, then yes, there is a lot of pressure on the powers that be to do something about his position. The last time I heard that at Oakwell was October 2004. We lost 3-1 at home to Donny, the atmosphere was poisonous and the ever unpopular Paul Hart was getting dogs abuse. I didn't think he could survive that, but he did. He remained in charge for a further 5 months and left with a whimper, Gordon Shepherd asking if he still fancied it and Hart admitting he didn't, if the official line is to be believed. By that time there was little or no dissent from the stands, just a general feeling of 'meh'.

Simon Davey was never popular either. As with Paul Hart, I think that was as much to do with his personality as the results on the pitch. We were never relegated under Davey, he actually saved us that first season and later took us to Wembley to a once-in-a-lifetime FA Cup semi-final. He was a difficult bloke to like and I must admit, I never managed it. There were always people who wanted him to go. As many when he was finally sacked as there had been 18 months earlier. But it never spilled over to protests at Oakwell.

Hill split opinion from the off. Some thought him great, others, myself included, that he was a reight lovely person. I don't think anyone changed their opinion much through the course of his tenure. You like him or you don't. A lot of people are described as Marmite, but Hill really is. His final game in charge was awful. Shocking team selection, appalling play and a vicious atmosphere. But yet again, there were no 'Hill Out' chants. He'd lost it, or given up, and the board could see that without any pressure from the crowd.

Flicker was hugely popular and he went with barely a single voice of audible dissent at Oakwell.

Wilson's sacking was met with such criticism from so many Barnsley fans, people speaking of giving up on the club entirely, that our usually silent owner was suddenly visible at meetings in pubs at the club and now has a presence on social media.

We can't be blamed for the sacking culture that has been prevalent at our club just because a handful of loons on here ask for the removal of any manager if he loses two or three games in a row. The vast majority of Barnsley fans are far more patient than that, which should be obvious to everybody. Our judgement may actually be crap, but it's never been put to the test and it isn't ours that has hired or fired any manager.

 

Blimey, I wish I could be as articulate, lucid and reasoned as you on a Monday morning. Well said, sir. Although I remember things differently about the end of the Davey tenure.

 

I think you're wrong on Davey, I remember numerous occasions where the whole Ponty was singing 'we want Davey out'. When Moore got sent off against Doncaster I remember that until JCR played a blinder. His last game at home to Reading was probably the worst atmosphere I've heard at Oakwell, there were protests after the game with people trying to break into the East Stand to protest about him, then chasing his car as he drove away.

 

His memory's shot to fook though...

 

I'll have you know, sir, he's remembered to get into the ground in time for kick off every home game so far this season.No mean feat for him!
Anyway, my memory is extremely poor, so it'd be hypercritical of me to criticise anyone else for any mistakes they may make.

 

Gior. Your memory is like a massive lake full of, er memories of bfc rather than fish.

 

Ah, but it ought to be full of all things archaeological, old mate.

 

Only once have I joined in when the crowd has been chanting for a managers head.

24th October 2001.

We got our wish.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2001/oct/26/newsstory.sport

 

I agree with all of that pretty much. But what I was actually wondering, was whether the handful of loons on here as you so accurately describe them, actually wield a disproportionate influence on things. At first glance you would think not, indeed we would hope not, and the powers that be would definitely never admit to that. However, the things that influence human thought processes and subsequent action are very subtle, often causing people act in a certain way when they don't even know why they're doing it. Once the calls for a manager's head get up a head of steam on forums, social media etc, it only takes 20 or so people to keep repeating the same mantra, and suddenly it appears that there is a large clamour for the manager to be sacked, when in actual fact it's just a very loud (in keyboard terms) minority. Some people from the other camp argue with them, but the majority just stay quiet, creating an inflated sense of discontent that is actually illusory. Any outsider who read this board around January last year would have been forgiven for assuming that Danny Wilson was a very unpopular figure with the majority of Barnsley fans. As I said, I'm just thinking out loud here, but I wouldn't rule anything out. In case you're wondering where all this has stemmed from, I'm reading a fantastic book about thought processes by Malcolm Gladwell called "Blink - The Power of Thinking Without Thinking", which is well worth a go if you've not read it already.