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  1. Bri

    Brian Mahoneys Waist Well-Known Member

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    Johnson and Mansford have stated from pre-season the aim is minimum play offs and top two the goal.Let them get on with it and don't pre judge so early.
     
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    You mean we should have the courage to see things through for a full season , just like the board do?
    Oh wait , they dont do they ???
     
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    So on that pretence we have to watch the boring episodes of Blackpool , Doncaster, etc. and accept LJs negative tactics. I hope we do fulfil the top two but I might be asleep by the time it happens.
     
  4. Whi

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    We're 11 points off Burton Albion already. I think playoffs are realistic however.
     
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    What are Burton doing that we aren't? Besides from winning games.

    We have a bigger fan base, a bigger budget, a better infrastructure, and we have a more experienced manager.
     
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    But not as good a manager


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    That doesn't mean anything in football. Or should I say it doesn't guarantee you anything.
     
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    Minimal changes to a solid team. Non prima donas. Hard working. Organised.

    Two up top.
     
  9. Dr Zazlos

    Dr Zazlos Banned Idiot

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    Happy with mid table.
    We're a league one club and may be for the foreseeable future.
     
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    IMHO, with he squad we've got, making such a claim is daft. Either go the route we've taken, investing in youth, maybe taking a short term hit for the long term gain, but shut the hell up about our immediate chances of promotion. Or, get some experience in the side, go for it, and shout your mouth off.

    Don't tell everyone we're all out for promotion, then fill the side with kids and criticise those who aren't happy that we're floundering in midtable. If you raise expectations but fail to meet them, that's not the fault of those who bought in to what you were saying. It's not their fault that they feel let down. It's alright a load of us on here advocating patience, but if what you've said is correct then that's not the message coming out of the club. They're selling immediate success.

    I don't necessarily disagree with the new youth policy, although I do think we chucked the baby out with the bath water. But we haven't built a team for immediate promotion, we've built a squad for the future. To then make claims that it's about promotion this season doesn't make any sense, sets the club up for a fall and invites criticism.

    Patience isn't about waiting until Christmas, it's about waiting two or three years.
     
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    They have a good manager so can overachieve on crowds like saturday of less than 3,000 for top of the league. We have an overhyped/overated manager who is struggling on one of the best budgets in the league. Based on our budget compared to other teams in the league he's probably got one of if not the very best budget ever in our history.
     
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    You mean you can't see how this is going? No doubt we'll be "just 6 points off the play-offs" for all of the season before settling for a creditable 11th in the table. Probably slightly above Oldham, the last club that LJ worked wonders with. I can't wait for those early bird offers for 2016-17.
     
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    sorry i this comes over disrespectfully......but they aren't likely to say ......we are happy treading water staying in this division, lees task is to make sure we arent in a relegation.battle and we are happy

    when the Don was over looking Mark Robins the club were more worried about the fear of the bottom 4 than anything else and look what happened later down the line.

    putting sentiment to one side,

    Whether we like it or not, Barnsley football club is a business and at the end of the day like any other business is run for profit,

    Patrick Cryne whilst i respect his love and passion for his own town club will first and last protect Patrick Crynes investment just like we all would if we were in his shoes.

    PC as placed in charge a team to get the best return they can and to look after his investment by running the club to his agreed guidelines

    Due to the nature of the financial implications and present climate we are all in, the belts on our spendings have to be tightened

    unfortunately as we all know tightening too far stifles groweth and we therefore, we tread a fine line between stagnation and in some cases a reduction of services which soon escalates into a loss of business

    whilst all this no doubt is unfolding the club have to be seen to appease the fanbase theyve got to keep them on side because after all without fans the club cant opperate as a viable business not that PC should worry, his investment also includes the land.

    So should it go belly up he would still be looking after is investment.

    At the moment the club is once again ticking over, back to the same position it was years ago before the crash

    Yes that is all down to the stewardship of patrick and for that i applaud his wisdom

    however and theres always a but in these types of thread

    i do honestly believe that Barnsley football club as a whole errs on the side of caution too often and thus escalates their own woes

    The amount of money wasted over PCs regin could have collectively mounted a serious challenge on the top division more than once, hindsight is a fantastic thing , however we find ourselves in the 3rd tier of english football

    And no matter how much of a glossy picture the powers in Oakwell will have us believe things in the short term are not going to improve

    the football being served up at the moment is driving folk not only mad but away, ive lost count of the times weve changed tact and if im honest once again, i cant see LJs regin lasting longer than the rest that have gone before him, the reason why, besides the footballing side of things
    it serves the bigger picture in how the club is run, a fresh man in new ideas ( nothing we havent seen or heard before ) allows the club to continually tread the same path and wheel out the same old excuses

    All which we buy into year after year, because we love our club.

    I guess in one way it saddens me that the club ive supported all these years now brings me to the point that im honestly questioning my part in their future
    but when i look around the ground and i see all those empty seats i cant help but wonder if many who once sat/ stood there went down the same thought pattern as me before saying you know what ....enough is enough

    And yes, i was around in the dark days of the old 4th division
    even then the football served up wasnt as depressing as i find it now

    call me what you want, after all these years i think im entitled to say how i feel and why

    rant over
     
  14. Mrs

    MrsHallsToffeerolls Well-Known Member

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    Good post and your not alone in questioning the future.
     
  15. Bri

    Brian Mahoneys Waist Well-Known Member

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    I think Mario that Burton gave a young fired up man the chance to manage and given time to build a team.I don't think Burton have any players who are better than what we have.What they have though at the moment is a better team than us.
     
  16. Whi

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    He's been there not much longer than LJ's been here.
     
  17. Redstar

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    I think the difference at Burton could be that the manager gets to buy who he wants within the constraints of their finances.
     
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    'thereev' Banned Idiot

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    " Patience isn't about waiting until Christmas, it's about waiting two or three years. "

    i and many others will have stopped attending long before 3 years of Leejay i am afraid.

    It shouldn't take long at all (six months tops) for a team to start producing....I mean it is not as if they only meet once a week for a hour is it? They have all week every week to get it sorted...what else have they got to do...this is their professional job ffs.

    hth
     
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    I guarantee you 100% he doesn't have the budget you think he has.
     
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    Haven't posted much recently but got a bit of time so.....

    Burton are still on the crest of a wave and it's quite common for a team coming up from L2 to carry on that form as, IMO the gap from L2 to L1 is not as great as any other step up. Secondly, without knowing Burtons transfer policies I think they are still using much of the team and squad that were riding high before JFH took the job so not sure how much is attributable to him. Thirdly, we have already beaten them and I seem to remember the comments on here about how we should be blowing teams like Burton away. Well no one else has managed it yet this season.

    On the boring football front I think there does need to be some patience as the team/squad grows into the season. Everyone is pretty much beating everyone at the moment and we all obviously want to win every game but for me, if we can keep on the coat tails of the top 6/7 places into January and finalise this seasons squad at that time I can see us pushing on in the final third and we'll then see teams getting beaten comprehensively.

    Just my opinion though.
     

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