Any body watched Swansea tonight?

Exactly like watching Barnsley.

One up front. Stylish, poession football played in a disciplined framework but with zero penetration and zero effectiveness.

Crosses and through balls not finding there target, Gomis left frustrated with his back to goal and individual brilliance not paying off.

This football can only be played effectively and consistanly by world class players in world class teams. Players who can consistanly put a ball on a sixpence. Strikers who score with all most every chance they get. Attacking players who produce individual brilliance weekly.

Stoke weren't great but when they did get the ball they moved it forward with pace and dynamism. After getting the early goal they were barely troubled with Swansea creating only one great chance. That chance was missed and due to the style of football it didn't come again.

Why are the modern day managers so obsessed with being Pep Guardiloa? Surley it's obvious to them that's he's working with the most talented and consistant footballers in the world.

Rule number one in management is play to your teams strengths. Pep plays this way because his players can excel in this style. I'm sure if he had a squad of inconsistant performers he would recognise that playing within such a disciplined and precise framework is not achieveable.

Why does the modern day manager not recognise this when it is so obvious? More worryingly why does LJ not recognise this?

They seemed to be so obsessed with wanting to be 'the next best thing'. Obsessed with making the team about THIER identity. They preach about a team game but really the focus is about getting their own identity recognised through eleven men. It's an arrogance and it's quickly begginging to ruin our game.

Get back to basics LJ. Make Barnsley a team again and not just about yourself. Play to the club's strengths and we might just achieve something. Until then we will go nowhere and as supporters we will become increasingly dissalusions.

Come on you reds!


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I agree with most of what you have said there but surprised that you would describe the football as "stylish" or "disciplined".

 

A bit strange to use Swansea as an example given their recent success. The passing policy has clearly done wonders for them despite tonight's loss...

 

It's stylish because it is the 'current trend' of playing football. Disciplined because that's exactly what it is.
A style of football based around a framework the manager has set.

Stylish and disciplined doesn't necessarily mean enjoyable or effective.

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There's nothing wrong with having a passing pocilicy.

There is something wrong with attempting to copy what Pep Guardolia has achieved. He created this style because he knew his team were capable.

Swansea rose through the leagues playing 2 upfront. Scott Sinclair and Borini fired them out of the Championship.

The style they played tonight was the same ineffective style we play. Swansea don't have good enough Premier League players to do anymore than survive playing that brand of football.

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Give over. They're doing incredibly well and will probably finish in the top 10-12. Can't see how you can knock their style when it's clearly working for them.

 

Swansea have played this style for at least the past 2 or 3 seasons.Gary Monk as continued the style from the previous manager because it as been quite successful for them.

 

They've won 2 games.

They haven't won now for 6 matches and they lost 4 of them.

Their fans are questioning why Gomis is being left isolated upfront.

Get your head out of your arse and stop being so desperate to prove someone wrong. It's embrassing.

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I recall the brief John McSeveney era at Oakwell and going to the New Year's Day home game with Bristol Rovers 1972. My dad came with me and we both agreed that there was a method and technique about the Reds' play which we had not seen in much previous matches. The passing was good and crisp; the movement off the ball was good; we held possession for long periods against a good team ..... but it ended 0-0. With all of that coaching, no one had really thought that the aim of the game is get the ball into the net. I am not a fan of the Graham Taylor 'boot it long to a beanpole centre forward' style, but there must be an idea in the neat play that the aim is to score, not just play neat passing. The Bristol Rovers game was the fifth consecutive one in which we had failed to score and yet the technique and passing of the team was improved. I saw a similar game at the end of the season, in which we mullered almost-promoted Brighton for ninety minutes .... but lost 1-0 to a streaky Bertie Lutton goal for them. is history repeating itself in the Johnson era?

 

I meant also to add that, if we play five in midfield and only one up top, all of the five midfielders should consider themselves potential scorers. We would need 8-10 goals out of each one of them if the system is to bring success.

 

Great post.

I'm glad you got the jist of what I was saying rather than pulling it to peices whilst missing the point like those above.

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I can't agree that the system can only be played by world class players, etc.

One up front depends on energetic midfielders getting up to support the striker and flooding the box at the right time. There's nothing wrong with running from deep rather than waiting up front for a ball to come to you.

 

Haha well said sir, I was watching last night thinking the exact same thing, this is Barnsley. All the possession in the world but when it came to breaking Stoke down it was never going to happen.

For me, if we are going to copy a Tactic I would be looking at Mr Klopp's, press, press, press. We used it under Flitcroft to stay up in the championship and then next year decided we wasn't going to do that anymore (look how that turned out). No matter how good of a player/team you are when you are under pressure you panic. I also think we have the players to do it with Scowen, Winnall, Pearson etc. Just give it a go please LJ

 

I rest my case regarding Swansea.

Monk just wouldn't break away from the identity he wanted to create despite the players not being good enough to play that way.

It's no coincidence that our form has been better since playing a formation which suits our players either.

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In reading todays mail it appears that a certain mr monks sacking was down to certain players not giving 100% those same players which according to the said article were forced upon him by the transfer policy that swansea are now operating....mmmm ring any bells

 

You mean when Notre Dame Paris set that Quasimodo guy on?...all went t**ts up if I remember.

 

Let's be honest, this league isn't rocket science. Fvck the spin and slide zone, Fvck bomb alley, what you need in this league is an experienced nasty ******* central defender, an old head in central midfield who knows when to slow it down and kick people, and a centre forward who you can bounce long balls/crosses off.

We have a lot of players who would, on their own, walk into any team in this league. The problem is they're all bairns, and if they were in another team they'd have someone alongside them marshling them. But throw them all together without an old head and it's like Lord of the flies