If it's true that Cryne isn't sacking LJ

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  1. Glo

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    Jay, it doesn't matter whether the manager is popular or not, it's not a popularity contest it's about doing a good job in the position that he was employed to do and no doubt getting paid handsomely to do it. In this case it's signing and managing a group of individuals and moulding them into a team to provide entertainment for it's fanbase which in turn will enlarge that fanbase and pour extra revenue into the club's coffers which will then enable the club to improve and grow even more.
     
  2. Dr Zazlos

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  3. Jay

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    All things being equal, it doesn't matter if the manager is popular, but we can't take the potential sacking of Johnson in isolation, it's got to be viewed in historical context.

    We have sacked too many managers. Some of those sackings have not been deserved. The last sacking made the board hugely unpopular. Mr Cryne said that Johnson would be his last managerial appointment. He said that because of the criticism he received from sacking so many managers.

    Mr Cryne and the rest of the board are human beings, they are influenced by what has taken place in the past, they are influenced by the mood of supporters. If it was as simple as results and performances then Johnson would have been sacked by now. Every other manager has been sacked for far less. So it can't just be that influencing the decision. Other factors are at work and I'm simply putting forward my opinion of what they are.
     
  4. Dr Zazlos

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    Indeed.

    I don't buy for a second that they got rid of Wilson because of what read on here. If that is the case then they are more incomptent than I would ever have feared because that would mean they couldn't even assimulate information properly from what is presented to them because it was clear at the time that only a few wanted rid of Wilson on here and they just shouted loudest.

    And if the management of the club was / is based on such flimsy evidence rather than what they, as people employed to manage the club, actually thought, then god fecking help us.
     
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    Dr Zazlos Banned Idiot

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  7. Jay

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    You don't believe that the owners of a business are influenced by the feedback they receive from customers?

    Interesting
     
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    I don't believe that the owners of a business would make decisions of such magnitude on the basis of such a small and unrepresentative sample. And even on the basis of such a small and unrepresentative sample, still mis-read what the customers were saying so comprehensively. If there is a slither of truth in what you assert, it would mean that the word incompetent barely does justice as a description of the owners management methodology.
     
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    As a counter explanation, I would suggest that the decision was based less on the feedback from the noisy few on the BBS and more on the fact that Wilson wasn't malleable enough for their liking and expressed displeasure at the prospect of their proposed recruitment policy. So they got rid and got a yes man in.
     
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    You're answering Dr Zazlos' interpretation of my post rather than what I actually wrote. For a start, my post isn't about why they sacked Wilson, it's about why they might not sack Johnson.
     
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    Ah just f.ck off Jay, I think I agree with you.
     
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    That's utter nonsense Jay. If the board are making their decisions based on what they read on here then they would have seen the poll which was c70% in favour of keeping DW.
     
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    The feedback was backing Wilson.
     
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    Whilst I agree that a small minority of vocal posters skew the populist view of the forum as a whole, I can't agree that the people in charge at Oakwell make their decisions based on the content of the forum. That'd be some stretch of the imagination.
     
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    Give over. The poll was. The 600 hundred posts on either side of the poll weren't. Same as now. The vast majority of posts on this board are about sacking Johnson and why he should be sacked. If you didn't read the one post, the poll, which says otherwise, you'd be under the impression that the consensus on here is that Johnson should go. What if the club don't read every post. What if they only read 50% of them or 25% of them or whatever. What if they didn't read the BBS at all the day the poll was on the front page. That's the point I'm making, people like Zazlos banging on and on give a false impression about the general mood of the fans.
     
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    I agree on all those points. But I still can't agree that they make such huge decisions based on the content of one forum which has just a hundred - if that - members who post regularly.
     
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    You don't think that while reading all these posts they'd notice it's a handful of people making repetitive posts? All the while they ignored the concise and to the point poll? I think you insult their intelligence tbh, or you're just being myopic/obtuse to make your point. You're putting a real selectivity on to it. Read all those posts but didn't happen to read it while that poll was on the front page? Not buying it.
     
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    I'm Bipolar Mr Jay.

    Swing in both directions depending on how the mood takes me!
     
  19. Jay

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    I didn't say they did. Or if that's what you believe I said, that's certainly not what I meant. I don't know why Barnsley sacked Wilson. Nothing that Ben Mansford said in that interview to Radio Sheffield made sense to me. Something about business apparently, whatever that means. But I do believe that the powers that be felt comfortable with decision to fire him because they were under the impression he was far less popular than the reality. I believe they made that mistake because the majority of feedback on social media sites like this suggested we wanted him sacked. And that's because folk like Zazlos go on and on and on and on about it.

    I think they expected the majority to welcome the news of the sacking and were taken aback by the backlash they received. And I think this, in turn, made them far more wary about what to believe from the feedback they receive from social media, the reliability of it, and, I think the extent of the criticism made them far less likely to sack any manager in future, no matter how bad he turned out to be.

    I don't think they sacked Wilson because of what they read on here. But I do think they would have been far less likely to do it had they got the true picture of the fans feelings about the situation.
     
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    see above
     

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