In support of those in charge

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  1. Dys

    Dyson Well-Known Member

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    Been thinking about this a lot this morning.

    It's very obvious that mistakes have been made over a long period of time which has contributed to where we are today. Those mistakes have been made by various men and it's pretty fair to say Mr Cryne has been a constant in many of those.

    However, when things are **** in any business you look to those in charge for some confidence. You look to those in charge to come up with a plan to sort the **** out. In the past they've made the same decision each time which is sacking a manager. This time (for whatever reason) they're fully behind Lee Johnson. It seems they're coming up with a plan to support him and give him what he needs. Yeah, that should've happened before now but it hasn't.

    I think all anyone wants is for them to get **** sorted. I hope they do and I hope they do it quickly. If they don't then the questions and emotions on here and at the ground are just going to get worse.

    Don't know what the point of this post is - probably just trying to add some context and support to them at least seeming to want to do something different. I think. Probably. Or summat.

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    To be fair we are probably getting what most folk asked for when danny was sacked.
    It was suggested by many that the next man should be given time to get things right and for the board not to panic and pull the trigger when the team had a bad run, which ironically is exactly what fans are wanting the board to do now we are having that bad run.

    Wether johnson can actually turn things round is debatable, but we asked for patience from the board and we appear to be getting it.
     
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    Maybe. I don't remember people asking for a side based purely on other teams young lads on loan but more longer term recruitment of players and patience.
     
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    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Haven't we had a bit of that though? When we've identified players we actually want we've gone for longer contracts than in previous years, so avoiding that constant Summer of renegotiating contracts and worrying about players jumping ship each year.

    I think we can all agree that we didn't want the amount of loan players we've currently got, however if you believe that fees are in place for Smith, Wilkinson and Pearson, then again isn't that an improvement on previous seasons? This is without commenting on these players and how they've performed by the way.
     
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    Your completely right, we didn't. Maybe the reason he is being given more time than he possibly merits is because he is being asked to adhere to a strategy that is obviously not working.

    For what its worth even if we change the strategy, i dont believe johnson would be able to change his own style and we will still be toss, but we asked for patience, we are getting patience and now we apparently dont want it.
     
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    Fair point mate.

    The key missing ingredient is and always has been experience. I still think releasing Lalkovich & Bailey was a massive mistake which made us massively reliant on unproven young lads from other sides. I'd like to know why we did that rather than trying to build with our own lads in the short term.
     
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    In all fairness, I don't think even the most pessimistic supporter would have even entertained the thought of Johnson presiding over 7 league losses in a row, plus a defeat to a part time side in the cup to boot. This isn't just a run of the mill "bad run" as many of Johnson's predecessors were sacked for. This is the worst run the majority of supporters will have experienced, and I can't blame anyone now for wanting major changes.
     
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    Don't get me wrong mate, i know exactly why folk want him gone. I don't think johnson will turn it around no matter what changes happen above him. Im just saying that at the time we all wanted patience from the board and rightly or wrongly that's what we know seem to be getting
     
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    very true
     
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    I was surprised at LJ's appointment, based on his very average record at Oldham.

    Something's been written before on this, but I can't remember and don't want to trawl through the board. What I'd like to know is, what are and what were the connections between LJ + Ben Mansford + Maurice Watkins before his appointment?

    LJ seemed quite confident in his interview yesterday that he wouldn't be sacked.
     
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    You're right mate, but on the other hand I don't think anyone would have envisaged a run quite as bad as this - not just in terms of results, but the general feeling of there not being any light at the end of the tunnel whatsoever under this manager.
     
  12. Loko the Tyke

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    I think experience, both on the pitch and off it, has been the downfall for me. I think a more experienced manager would get more out of this squad, but likewise maybe Johnson would have got more out of it with the addition of two or three more seasoned pros. Going down the inexperienced route on both sides just doesn't work.

    The latter I'm not convinced by though. Mainly due to Johnson's apparent ineptitude to get our team doing the basics well, and his ever evolving chopping and changing.
     
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    I don't think he's done a lot of chopping and changing. I don't think he can - we don't have enough players to do it.

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    Oh, and I know you don't agree but this is another major reason why Wilson was the right man.

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    Chopping and changing with systems and tactics more than Personel really.

    I think we've played eight different formations this season.

    Winnall has played in four different positions. Davies vs. Townsend has been bizarre. Mawson is now a midfielder. Tangs at left back. Scowen at right wing back. Jackson left wing. Roberts dropped when in form, but keeping his place when suffering a loss of form. Watkins up front and on the wing.

    I know we don't agree on Wilson. But that's not to say I wouldn't have been content with him staying had he not been sacked. I sat right on the fence with that decision. Funnily enough, we didn't need Wilson back when we appointed him as the club didn't need that boost, and the job of keeping us up was doomed from the start. We do need that boost now though. Imagine how good the fans would feel if Wilson, Winny and Shotton were announced at a press conference tomorrow?*

    * Obviously had Wilson not already had his second stint
     
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    Is Lee Johnson's agent from the same firm as the one where Ben Mansford used to work? Something I was told last week, but no idea how true it is. Not suggesting there's anything wrong with that, but Ben might know him from that time and Lee could have impressed him with his approach. Johnson's record with us is awful, but it was OK at Oldham on a very tight budget and the man can certainly talk a good game. If Mansford had spoken to him a lot during his time as an agent I wouldn't blame him for being impressed.
     
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    Man for man our players, be they loans or not, were on paper more experienced and better players than the Altrincham players. The same could be said for teams we have played and lost to recently.

    If we accept that our team is better on paper why do we consistently lose to inferior teams? What stops our players from marshalling themselves and doing a decent job?
     
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    thing is half the fkers rn't even our players - how is that buiding?

    johnson has built a team on the strength of hoping to get them permanent when Stones was sold - ludicrous. "we want to be first in the queue". What a way to run a club. Build a squad around something completely out of your control.

    In addition to this the squad was completely unbalanced with god knows how many similar midfielders.

    Hes completey wasted one of those 3 windows with a GAMBLE and a bad one at that.
     
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    correct - he is the one who shoudl have been given this extra time... dead fish eyes my arse.
     
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    This isn't strictly true though is it mate? We didn't build a team on the hope of John Stones being sold, we just had two different lists of transfer targets. If you believe Cryne then Wilkinson, Smith and Pearson are on loan with fees agreed to make all of them permanent signings in January. That's very different to just having a squad full of loan players, regardless of whether you rate any of those players or not.
     

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