Net Migration

And if I come back there will be one more

 

Ambiguous question!...... he's been Married 3 times.

 

Now that is most unhelpful

 

Depends whether you're talking about the UK or England. And even if it's the UK, the countries we are behind are Malta, Gibraltar, Vatican City, Monaco, Guernsey, Jersey, San Marino and two proper countries: Belgium and Holland. I believe England is now more densely populated than both Belgium and Holland.

I'm not anti-immigration, but the overcrowded argument is a valid one. Much of the land may be undeveloped, but our transport system is crippled. If our population is going to increase, we've got to do something about the infrastructure and we're not doing.

 

Thanks dustani I wasn't aware of that fact

 

It would lower net migration, which is what you are worried about.

 

much of the land we have isnt fit to build on,,go stick a ben baileys estate on the top of woodhead and see how many want to live there and how long it lasts..Our fields that used to act as our natural soakaways are being ripped up and built on,then the first time it pisses it down the drains cant cope.

you only have to drive on any main arterial road to see we are over crowded and struggling with the numbers

 

I'm merely discussing the topic but I aint gunna lose any sleep over it.

 

If we had sustained net emigration you'd lose sleep about that, because that would mean lots of bad things to do with tax revenues, pensions, government budgets...

 

This could well turn out to be the achilles heel of the tory party......the EEC has four main caveats just two of which are:

a) freedom of movement of labour
b) freedom of movement of capital

The tories would love to have one without the other - I'll let you all guess which one........

 

I will take your word for it!

 

thereev votes out re Europe.

I know a vey nice polish lady tho....she can stay!

get em out....bomb the ba.stards....I don't know who to get out and who to bomb but bomb the ba.stards nevertheless who ever they are.

 

I've really got sick of the Brent Geese that seem to continually arrive at this time of year.

 

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IMO most of our perceived over-crowding is a result of greenbelt policy meaning that we have crammed more and more homes on artificially restricted pieces of land, where the infrastructure can't cope, and resulting in high land prices meaning high density, low quality housing. Meanwhile much of the greenbelt land is low quality, low aesthetic, and pesticided within an inch of its life so that no wildlife can exist on it.

I wouldn't claim that we can take infinite people for a second. I do know that unless we address the ageing demographic to introduce more people of working age we are knackered.

I also think that under this current government's ideological drive to eradicate public services we're all knackered anyway.

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What people forget is the enemy is already within. The bankers and global companies that we are letting get away with tax evasion & fraud.

I've got no problem with having efficient border controls, but neither party has introduced them.
They cost a lot to implement & enforce & both parties have relied on both skilled and cheap youthful labour from abroad, whose (semantic warrior edit) taxes pay the pensions & benefits to families & the elderly.

 

Where I live we could get to see the doctor by making an appointment the previous day, it is now a week. I could drive to Wakefield in 20 minutes in the morning; it now takes between 45 minutes and an hour. This has taken place within 25 years. If this is projected over within the next 25 years, we might as well stay at home, and probably die as we would have been unable to see a doctor for months. Because of the current overcrowding in an old mining village, I have to drive 3 miles to my doctor and four to my dentist. When I am in a situation where I can't drive through infirmity, I shall be unable to attend either.

 

why are nets migrating ?....I know we don't hit the back of one very often but surely there is a need for nets?

 

Don't forget decades of underinvestment in that infrastructure.

I'd also argue that high densities aren't the problem - in our big cities outside London, low density is more of a problem. Urban building at too low a density makes basic transport, medical and educational infrastructure unnecessarily expensive to provide and, given the prevailing attitudes in this country, all that means is that it's not provided. High densities (where it's suitable) combined with sensibly planned infrastructure with an eye on the long term is exactly what this country does require, and couldn't be further from what we actually have.

 

That suggests that you didn't used to have to drive three or four miles for basic healthcare. What happened to the local doctor and dentist that I'm assuming you used to visit?