Net Migration

Not got an issue if it's a migrant that is skilled be it medical engineering etc.

It's the countless numbers of unskilled workers that are in the country from Eu that I do have issues with.

 

85% of the land is undeveloped. - that would be the farmland then - the bit that feeds us all. Aye - building on that so we can accomodate more people and we are even less able to sustain our own economy without imports....that makes even more sense.

Or we could all live in 2 up 2 down back to back slums to accomodate everyone. I guess at least some people would be happy with that.

 

The idea that density corresponds directly with poverty is provably false. Of the ten most dense wards of London (almost certainly of the UK, although I can't guarantee that), five are in Westminster, one is in Camden and one is in Kensington and Chelsea. I know from some research I was doing a few weeks ago that the densest suburb of Birmingham is one of its most expensive and well-regarded.

Sensibly designed high-density housing doesn't only not have to be slum housing, it is also often some of the most sought after. Part of that is because with large numbers of people living in a small space, services from both the public and private sector can be provided more easily. That means more restaurants, shops, bus services, dentists, cafés, etc all within easy walking distance.

 

Leaving all other arguments aside, do you think labour or land has the biggest affect on our ability to feed ourselves?

 

Where does immigration come into this? Maybe look at the disintegration of trade unions & mass privatisation instead?

 

This is about lack of investment in infrastructure/pubic transport, lack of planning/more and more reorganisation/continually pulling down of the NHS.

It is all bad planning on the behalf of government, national and local, much of it ideological for profit, not for the good of the country.

 

3 as far as i know. - one of them was born in the US

 

Personally, I'm not comfortable with nations and borders. We're all born of this planet and should be free to go where the **** we like. The whole system is ridiculous to me. However, with the social, economic and political situation we've created world wide, I'm pretty certain my ideal wouldn't work and it would be, to quote ITV news, chaos. Anything less than complete freedom is just a compromise and I don't really care for that. As far as I'm concerned, all the available options are wrong, but what I would like can't work, so **** it, I don't give it my attention.

Having said that, I can't argue with anyone who claims it's a ball ache to get from point A to point B at any time of day in this country and it's getting progressively worse. Whether that's because there are too many people or it's a terrible transport infrastructure is by the by. It's a fact and it makes people's lives much, much worse. Adding more people in to the mix will make it worse again. That isn't an argument against immigration, but summat needs sorting out.

 

It depends on what you want to eat.

There's little labour in corn / wheat and sugar - even some vegetable and fruit can be mechanically harvested.

Animals can (not should but can) be mechanically fed and harvested.

So land - and importanly fertilizers (made unsustainably by the way) are the factors in putting calories in your belly.

If you want lah di dah organic free range low food miles kumquats then it's a different ball game and you need loads of eastern europeans as well.

 

Oh dear, you've fallen into the trap. Do you honestly believe that we'll start turning away doctors and nurses? Of course not. But it's ridiculous to think that letting 300,000 people a year come into the country is sustainable when we're only building around 100,000 homes. People of my generation are already struggling to buy homes, it's going to be impossible in twenty years.

 

Please stop using statistics and accurate information to derail the racists.

 

There's relatively little land required in growing vegetables. Meat is the land hungry part of farming, for grazing or growing food to rear them on. And also one of the biggest causes of greenhouse gases.

Point is not being self sufficient in food isn't to do with a lack of available land. It's about a huge range of factors, not least CAP and the economics of agribusiness. And the ridiculous amount of meat we consume. To argue that we shouldn't release more land to house people because all the greenbelt is active farm land is also not true.

 

Best of luck feeding 10 billion people on cucumber and brocolli!

I'm not arguing we shouldn't release land for development per se. I am saying the country - nay the world is already full and we should cut back on the demand.

Too many people don't realise 7 billion people cannot survive on tomatoes cucumber and brocolli and without mono cultures of Palm Oil, Corn and Wheat - let alone the 10 billion people there will be by 2050

Animals - despite your assertion - make great use of the food we throw away and importantly by products from human food production. DDGS from beer manufacturing and ethanol production, Sugar beet pulp, Citrus Pulp from orange juice production, cane molasses form sugar production, yeast cell walls from the manufacturing of yeast extract, Whey permeate from cheese manufacturing - the list is endless. So not all meat is all bad. free range probably is though.

The harsh and unpallatable statistic is that there are at least 33% and possibly upto 85% too many people on the planet. When the natural gas runs out frankly starvation for countries like china, India and areas of africa is a very real threat if not inevitable. - Why else is the govt of China buying large tracts of Australasia, Africa and South America and why did the US goverment specifically block exports of pork when China bought the biggest pig farmer in the states. Why is China banning the export of certain phophates - Why does India sit on millions of tonnes of rice allowing it to rot rather than sell it.

Starvation - they are terrified of it. It's coming. and the less farmland there is in the UK because we've built on it the bigger the impact here.

Everyones sat there oblivious to it becuase the supermarkets are full and we throw away 50% of the food we buy.
We need to start de-poplulating this country not adding to the population.

It's not an imigrant thing - it's a people thing. I propose we start with the politicians.