***** today

And we were ***** last week. We'll be ***** next week too. And the week after, whether we sack Johnson or not. We'll be ***** until at least January. We might be ***** for the rest of the season, depending on recruitment when the transfer windows opened. Nothing we do until then will change the fact that the recruitment process during the summer months was abysmal. The seeds were sown then and we can't change the harvest now. We're not going to get apples when we planted ******* couch grass. Playing one semi-useless player prone to any number of gaffes per game ahead of another player much the same, just because you happen to like him, isn't going to change anything. Adopting a formation that you happen to favour but in reality is as ill-fitting as the one Johnson adopts won't change anything either. I can say it again, but I know it will fall on deaf ears, the players aren't ******* good enough.

Honesty experiment. Back in July a few (and it was just a few) told you with no doubt in their mind that releasing the players we did, recruiting the players we did, and signing all those loan players would result in nothing other than a relegation battle. Did you agree, or did you predict the play-offs? If you predicted the latter back then (not that you'll admit it), why the hell do you think what you're suggesting now (including sacking the manager) is the right way to go? Why do you believe what you think we should do will sort out this mess when you were so wrong before?

 

But who signed all these useless players Jay? Yep, it was our man Lee Johnson. Do we really trust this man with another transfer window given his signing record so far?

 

Actually, LJ didn't sign Hourihane or Winnall, our two best players. They were signed by club legend and experienced steady head Danny Wilson, who we fired because we were flirting with relegation...

 

Tend to agree Jay. Absolute dross today and nothing new there. The folly of dismissing Wilson was compounded by letting go of experience (e.g. Ramage), and players with promise who'd got a full season's experience at this level (I'm thinking Berry, Lalkovic etc). My apathy has taken me beyond calling for the manager to go but I don't trust the recruitment in the next transfer window one bit.

 

Did he? He's got the final say, I won't argue with that, but what does that actually mean?

Say he goes to the board with 5 players he rates and tells them he'd like one of those. They say no, you can't have any of them, but you can have one of these five. So he's says alright, I'll have that one. He's had the final say, nowts been done without his approval, but has he got the player he wanted?

Lee Johnson had absolutely nothing to do with Hugo Colace training at the club. I bet he didn't even know who he was. He's actually turned him down, but if he said, alright, I'll give him a go for a month or so and we offered him a contract until January, is that a player Lee Johnson wanted to sign?

 

You'll not find a bigger critic of the board for firing Danny Wilson than me. But the thing that really gets my goat, is that the most vocal in wanting Danny Wilson sacked are now the most vocal in wanting Lee Johnson sacked and they're using the ridiculous termination of his contract as reason to fire Johnson. "Why did they sack Wilson when we were nowhere near relegation, but they won't sack Johnson?" You genuinely couldn't ******* make it up.

 

I don't think we have a clue how this transfer policy works do we? It's all a bit confusing. Something doesn't seem right though.

I honestly think we are in great danger of getting relegated. We're about to lose ten players in Jan (probably not a bad thing) but replacing them won't be easy at short notice. It never is. January is always a tough time to sign decent players.

I personally would sack Johnson now. I've seen enough. Seeing us at the bottom of League One - even with our poor, inexperienced squad - is the final straw for me.

 

I thought so before a ball was kicked and said so many times and I'm not usually a pessimistic person. Maybe that's why I don't think it's the manager that should be sacked.

 

I know you're not talking about me specifically but I was a staunch supporter of Danny, I was furious when he was sacked and I still haven't forgiven the club for it. With regards to Johnson I never wanted him and I think he's a poor manager but I don't think this mess is entirely his fault however that doesn't exonerate him from responsibility and as such I think his dismissal is the only option.

Even in games we've won this season we've been poor and I don't have much confidence that allowing him another transfer window will be in the long term interests of the club. The summer transfer window was an abomination so I'm not sure why January will be any different.

 

It awful to be proved right about the way the club went about recruitment, but these players we have , although they are young, should be good enough to be at least 7/8 places higher in the table. the tactics are down to Johnson, the substitutions are down to Johnson, the tempo the players are asked to play at are down to Johnson.
This season should have been a good push for top six, but the board fecked it up last season. no matter how much blame they take, all the above problems are down to Lee Johnson, I have been working for the last month or so on saturdays and have missed a good chunk of the matches , but the ones I have seen, including the start of the season, when we weren`t losing so much , were garbage and awful to watch. That is down to Lee Johnson !Cryne, Mansford, Watkins and Biscuit boy are to blame for hiring the fool, but its Lee Johnson that has the final say on what happens at training and match days and he has failed miserably .
I didnt want to sack another manager, but just keeping a manager just because you are fed up of sacking them, no matter how poor he is, is crazy !
I have not missed going to Oakwell lately and that worries me !!

 

Well we can't the sack man everyone tip toes around blaming, can we?

Johnson selects/coaches/motivates the players. The results and displays are appalling.

I agree, pointless sacking him and expecting someone else to work under these restraints, but **** me you'd have to be on crystal meth to play Watkins up front and this ******* Isgrove.

 

I don't count you as one of the most vocal. There are a number of very sensible people who want Lee Johnson out. Considering our run of results and performances, it's not in the slightest bit surprising. You may well be advocating the right thing to do. Chances are you are. For the moment I'm going to continue to fight his corner. For a start I reckon he needs it because although some of the criticism is fair, those who give that tend not to repeat it over and over again. The stuff you hear all the time is the unfair criticism and I'm going to stand up against that. Secondly, even if he's not a very good manager, I think he was given an impossible task and I believe the blame should be apportioned appropriately.

 

If only we'd put this kind of patience and trust into Danny.

The more I think about it the more I have to admit I have still got the monk on with the club about sacking Danny Wilson. I'm bitter and haven't got over it yet. Sorry Lee, it's not personal against you...

 

I never called for Danny to be sacked, but I have to say the writing was on the wall, I remember driving away from the Donny away game listening to P or G, and after one of the worst performances I can remember, Danny said it was a game that could have gone either way, that was a game in which Donny could have had five before half time but for their poor finishing and a game in which we'd managed one shot in 90 mins..I got the distinct feeling he'd lost it then. I'll thank him forever for his first stint, but the second is a different story, the way we went down without
even a whimper still rankles.

 

I don't think that's true.

Out of me & about 10 mates none of us wanted Wilson out. All but one of us want Johnson gone.

I've been very careful in my criticism to only focus on tactics & team selection because I've no idea who's in charge of transfers & the tactics & team selection has been dreadful

 

I never wanted Danny in the first place, not at the time we appointed him anyway, he was part of what relegated us and it carried on into last season. He was only brought in at the time because there were **** all options out there and to appease those living in the past, it was never going to work.


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Similar to how I feel.

I was fine (albeit a bit sad) with Wilson being sacked as I was sick of going to away games knowing we were going to play for a point and just lump it up to whoever was up front for 90 minutes with no hope of winning. I was also less than impressed with our sluggish performances at home.

With hindsight, maybe we should have kept him on. Or at least got the right man for the job after sacking him.

 

So who coaches them day in day out, works on tactics and formations ? Lee out of his depth Johnson. Time for the clown to go

 

I was one of the ones who cautioned against relegation at the start of the season given our recruitment and retention policy. To an extent I agree with you about the person in charge being almost an irrelevance. However given that Johnson clearly oversaw the retention and recruitment policy and the nature of his tactics, formations, selections and substitutions after Altrincham it seems to me impossible to trust him with any further recruitment initiatives or development of the players we have. I'm not a sack the manager type in fact I'd prefer Johnson to stay in some capacity but I say with sadness he is not the man to take us forward in his current role.

Even the latest recruitment drive. Isgrove? A half fit White.

Playing Watkins as a forward.

I have no confidence in LJ to get us out of the bottom 4. Chesterfield are in a comparatively better place and have just got **** of Saunders who is woefully inept but you can say had a harder job. Team stripped bare. No money to spend. At the end of the day though he had ultimate responsibility. The same applies to Johnson.