Dan Jarvis

Lest we Forget...........the majority of people in this country was in favour of invading Iraq.

I was one of those in favour of invading Iraq.

My understanding is that the recent decision to bomb Daesh in Iraq was to support the Iraqi army - and not to prevent Daesh killing innocent civilians in Europe.

I am against bombing Syria now and I'm against this because of the Iraqi war..........Iraq has become a disaster zone because there was no after plan........and neither is there one for Syria.
So when the bombing starts, what is the objective that will bring the bombing to an end?

And under the fragile position that the Labour Party finds itself in now...........wouldn't it be wise to support the leader in these difficult times?
Even if you didn't approve of his point of view.

 

I do agree about the lack of a reliable ground force in Syria, just like I agree that the complexity of the Assad / Putin / west dynamics make a coalition very unlikely. Any ground offensive would have to involve a coalition with France, Belgium, the USA. I don't think there will be any significant gains using air power alone; not in the short to medium term at least.

 

So why bomb
Your on the exact wavelength as Jeremy Corbyn only he doesn't want to bomb. Or is it bomb for bombings sake?

 

Bombing is a start but in my opinion, and it is only my opinion, it has to be backed up with ground troops. Until we make that decision then bombing is the only option. Cut off their cash flow, destroy their infrastructure, target their strongholds. It might take a while but hurting them is the only option.

On the same wavelength as Corbyn? I really don't think singing Kum By Yah is going to work on ISIL (I borrowed this from the Fleet Street Fox).

 

The songs got as much chance as bombing !
In fact we know bombing don't work so maybe singing might get a chance.
Heyho the warmongers are trying to win the argument even the daily mail don't advocate bombing .what was that Einstein said about madness. Never mind though the Turks are managing to get cheap oil from ISIS to untold destinations and good news is oils very cheap at mo. Those Syrian civilians look like having bombs dropped on themva little longer while the west bombs whilst trying to agree a strategy.

 

I think if the major threat to our security lives in Dewsbury, Tipton and East London, to name but 3... Which it has proved in the past. I think our attention should be focused elsewhere than Syria

 

Re: Frying pans, fire, ******** & the lord







" I've made a rule to withdraw from political threads on here "

A statement you made last night on Peachy's thread...You really should adhere to it.




















100% agree but I've made a rule to withdraw from political threads on here so I'll be saying no more on the subject.

 

I phoned Dan Jarvis's office yesterday to pass on my opinion that it would be a massive mistake to bomb Syria.

My reason - this country would be safer if we didn't.

 

Fuktup

When the moral position is explained in the Daily Mail by Peter Hitchens

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...s-recreational-bombing-Churchill-wannabe.html

 

Re: Fuktup

I see a pattern of countries attacking Syria and ISIS retaliating. I see also that nothing as of yet has happened to the UK, which could be down to our security or maybe because we've not given the evil *******s a proper reason to cause carnage here yet. I'd rather we didn't find out one way or another. I think the likes of France and Russis are doing a grand job policing the world instead of us and America for a change. Not to say we shouldn't support them, but i'd rather it not be by bombing yet another country. I hope we vote against airstrikes.

 

Re: Fuktup

Round em up

Put em in a field



And bomb the *******s.

 

I can't say I know the answer to any of this (other than stop destabilisation countries in the pursuit of oil in the first place) but it saddens me that a discussion about a very serious topic can't be had by politicians without resorting to insults rather than addressing valid points made. As for air strikes they seem pointless without some sort of ground action and the likelihood of that seems less possible than us going on a 20 match winning run.

 

Kenny Everett.

 

I was in the House of Commons last night. Lots of talk about Syria, and side meetings about the bombing vote and a bigger than normal protest outside.

Morrisons wasn't mentioned once.

 

I can't say I'm surprised, but I'm still disappointed. I can only imagine the worst if this goes through parliament (and it will).

 

This vote will be the beginning of the end for Corbyn. Could be a repeat of The 1930s - pacifist Lansbury replaced by Major Clement Attlee. 2010s another pacifist, Corbyn replaced by Major Dan Jarvis.

 

I don't think Jarvis will stand. I did previously though, I even put money on it ... and lost it.

 

I can't understand why we want to have any involvement in this until the American's, Russians & Turk's come together & make a clear plan for the best strategy of dealing with the Syria problem.

As things stand it's a nightmare of a country with 4 major groups, Government, ISIS, FSA & Kurds in a civil war with God knows how many other smaller groups involved.

I don't believe there's a major risk to the UK in terms of terrorism.

It's much harder to bomb mainland Europe than it is & contrary to what we're often led to believe by BNP & other right wing groups there's a lot of intelligence monitoring people that come into this country.

Let's bear in mind that they won't be able to bring bombs & weapons across the border how exactly are they going to get their hands on weapons & bomb making equipment over here? It's scaremongering.

We're targeting Syria because of the oil. If we weren't then we'd carry out attacks on ISIS in Sirte in Libya where the Tunisia attacks which killed many Brits came from.

 

Cameron has mentioned several times its to cut off tue head of the snake.

Is isnt a snake. Its a disease. Lile aggressive cancer. Oncw it gets in somewhere the ideology spreads out of control.