Those who want Johnson out?

I'm struggling to understand the mentality of that.

Does that mean you want us to lose?

That you go to a football match you've paid to watch or look out for the results of a club you supposedly love and genuinely hope we lose?

Do you still get enjoyment when we score?

Were you devastated when Sam Winnall picked up the ball behind half way burst past 4 men and put us 2-0 up within 20 minutes away from home?

Those who want Johnson out because they cant get past the Danny Wilson sacking. Does it make your blood boil that LJ now has more points than Danny did after the same amount of games last season?

Are you praying that we only take 5 points from the next 4 games so you can shout from the rooftops about LJ having the same amount of points as Danny when he was sacked?

The last 5-6 weeks we have been playing the football we have all been asking for. 4-4-2 with flying wingers, attacking fullbacks, high energy and an in form Sam Winnall upfront.

Yes the first 18/19 games or whatever were dreadful. Yes the 4-5-1 was dross and if it had carried on then yes LJ would have had to go. But at least he has accepted that. He is a young manager. He is very ambitious. He wanted to make a name for himself playing this continental style of football. He is not a lone in that. That is the way to the top at the minute. At present there is a culture within top coaches that if your team plays this way you are granted instant respect.

LJ came in and wanted to put his own stamp on things. He wanted the football world to stand up and take notice of a young upcoming manager walking League One with this continental style of play. Lets give him massive credit for ditching this philosophy he wanted so badly. He's stopped dreaming now, he's been thrown into reality. He's learning. We should be grateful we've got a manager who learns from his mistakes. We should know better than anyone, after putting up with the arrogance of Keith Hill, a man who would have always put his own beliefs in front of whats best for the club.

LJ is still new both in terms of his career and in his post at the club. For me LJ's ability to show he can adapt and change to bring success says he's definitely the man for this job. He's making it work now and if we back him I believe we'll have a very enjoyable second half of the season.

 

Troll.

Banning called for.

 

What?

 

First seven paragraphs are clearly intended to provoke a reaction.

 

They are genuine questions. This isn't a wind up.

 

Unt york at home this season has been for the most. Turgid. Dull. Uninspiring. Boring. One shot on target. ..

Johnson I feel has had his hand forced with the signing of hammill to dispense with the modern 451 formation and moderatley tempoed passing game to a quicker higher tempo 442.

Comparisons between the two speak volumes.

 

Despite all the unrest prior to our recent turn-around, I never wanted to see LJ sacked. In my opinion one of the prime reasons behind many of our problems has been the hire / fire attitude to managers. It clearly takes time to get a club moving in the direction a manager / coach is capable of taking and building a team. Unless there is a fundamental problem with the way a manager operates behind the scenes, which we would not know about I believe that once appointed a manger requires at least 3 years. Why go to the trouble / cost of finding a manager and then quickly face the disruption of new staff, tactics, players, training methodology because the team has a downward dip, albeit short of long lived. Congratulations to the Board for sticking with LJ through some very difficult times.

 

This.

 

Adam hammill - who Johnson picks in his side to be fair - has changed our season. Not anything else Johnson has done.

I don't think Johnson set out to get him, but he did get him. Fair play.

I still think he is an awful manager. I didn't think Wilson was much kop second time around either.

I would prefer if Johnson wasn't the manager. I've said it plenty.

But as long as he is, on match day I support him as I support the team. What other reaction are you looking for?

If we finish top half after a good run in, I might reassess. At the moment I'm reluctant to accept he's a good manager as like I say I believe one player has changed the season, not just individually on the field but in the mentality of the other players, they are more confident with him in the team and the shape in which they play. Johnson can have a bit of credit for that himself. He changed it, even if his hand was a tad forced.

If it was LJ who was instrumental in bringing him in, then props to him. Plus, I blame him for the dross that went before so I have to credit him with the improvement too. He picks the team. If he's actually learned and improved l, we are yet to find out. I don't think so - but I hope I'm wrong.

However if Hammill leaves in the summer, don't be surprised if come August we're playing 451 scraping 0-0's at home to Oxford and Plymouth.

 

Im not looking for another reaction. Just answers like you have given me.

I just dont understand how if you want a manager gone as badly as some do how you can be happy when he's doing well.

 

I want Johnson out and have done since that loss at Southend earlier in the season.

BUT it doesn't stop me supporting the team. I've been to nearly every game this season in all competitions and travel 120 mile round trip to see a home game, never mind most away games I go to.

I'll hopefully be there longer than both Johnson and Mansford and support the club and the town, not those two.

In all honesty, if Johnson carries on what he's been doing recently, I'll be back on his side but at the moment, despite some cracking form, he still needs to win me over.

And as for Mansford, we've gone donwhill ever since he's become chief exec.

 

Youve just answered your own question. The last 5-6 weeks have been OK in the main but the previous 18-19 games were as bad as it gets. We sit 17th in as bad a league as I remember so pretend everything is rosey if you want, I certainly wont.


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Reason for wanting.Johnson sacked

13 league defeats in the third division

The.worst performances in 40 years

 

That is exactly how I feel about it too. I believe totally that had Hammill not signed we would at this stage be rooted to the foot of the division and if LJ was still here this board would have exploded.

 

Ignoring the obvious antagonistic tone of the original poster.

It's my opinion that thus far the appointment of Johnson has been an expensive mistake. We have not moved forward in any way as a club or a team in the last 12 months and I guess that's how you fairly evaluate someone. We have embarked on our longest losing streak in 50 odd years and lost to non league opposition and currently lie 17th in the 3 division. By no stretch of anyone's imagination can this be seen as successful.

PAs a person he comes across well and clearly is a keen student of the game. Earlier in the season he was clearly welded to systems or variations of systems which involved a loan striker without the proper analysis of whether this best suited the needs of our better players this cost us a lot of points and led to some truly terrible performances . Occasionally like the Fleetwood game he seems to forget this and instead of playing Winnall with a string athletic partner sticks a midfielder next to him and wonders why it doesn't work. This is frustrating but shows a young guy learning his trade. I am unclear as to whether the signing of Hammill, which was clearly too good to resist, prompting the change to a system that better suited our better players or whether this was a conscious choice on LJs part.

It is clearly not the right time to change manager now. The window is upon us and targets have been identified. Johnson needs supporting to the end of the season both by fans and the club. This support shouldn't be blind or unconditional. Poor decisions that cost us will inevitably be dissected.

One area that is pivotal to the role of Head Coach under the model we are following is player development. We need to see our contracted players learning, developing and moving forwards. This doesn't seem to have happened thus far and most of the players who are young, new to this level or to league football seem to be regressing. This needs to be addressed. The coaching provided by Johnson and the team needs to show tangible results with improved performances from capable players like Scowen, Mawson, Davies and Roberts and moving forwards for Bree, Templeton, White, Smith and Abbott. This given the parameters of Johnson's role should be the Key performance indicator and is an area that needs improvement.

So in conclusion no one wants to see us lose or any such malarkey but to sustain his tenure Johnson needs to improve. If I was part of the Oakwrll hierarchy I would be looking for a lower mid table finish and key development of players as markers for review at the end of the season. I suspect the over coached negative football earlier in the season will have some impact on season ticket numbers and if there is any indication that this path is being retuned to then this would have to be addressed.

If we were to mark him out of 10 this season I'd see 5 being a generous number. You would hope he could pull this up to a strong 7 by seasons end if we all get behind him.

Onwards and upwards.

 

First class post JC. Reflects exactly my thoughts on this season on and off the pitch. And you've saved me 20 minutes writing it myself.

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From a personal point of view if someone would've said 'if Johnson loses the next game he'll be sacked' I would've probably took that because I would've felt it was for the long term benefit of the club.

However I don't believe that's the case as I don't think Cryne wants to pay out the money it would take to sack him so it'd be stupid to want us to lose every week

 

I made my mind up about Johnson after the Altrincgham game, and i still would welcome his sacking.
The reasons being, first off i don't think he's a very good manager, tactically and motivational wise.
Our recent upturn in form i put down to Adam Hammill, and the injury to Scowen meaning LJ having to revert to 442.
Obviously the owner doesn't help with his daft loan policy, take losing Ben Pearson for example.

I don't wish us to lose, hell i even traveled alone to Shrewsbury and really enjoyed it.
However, just because of our recent upturn in form, im not just going to change my mind about LJ until i see vast improvements, Shrewsbury was a start, hopefully we see continuation of that on Saturday against much stronger opposition.
At the end of the day i have a season ticket and i don't want to be bored stiff like i have been for the majority of the season, more games like the last few excluding Fleetwood please!

 

Because the reason we want him out is for the success and benefit of the club.

If he proves us wrong by being successful then the ends we are looking for are met.

Can't speak for anyone else, but my only motivation is the future of the football club, I don't care whether that means I'm proved right or wrong.

Like I say, I still don't think he's good enough. But I don't make the decisions, so whilst he's in charge I support him and his team and hope they win every week. I don't understand why anybody wouldn't. (I also ought to point out that I don't see much point in sacking him now. He's not going to be gone before the window shuts, so we might as well get the players he wants in, back him til may, and reassess then. I think he'll be here come August unless we are in league 2 - and I wouldn't put it past them to keep him even if we are).

 

You'll have to explain to me why the signing of Hammill means we have had to dispense with 4-5-1.