Another Tory policy shown up for what it is.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35418488

But still, that Corbyn eh?

 

It's more than reasonable for those cases to have an extra room to assist in the care of relatives

However, the bedroom tax was designed to encourage people hogging large under occupied Social housing to.enable.those in need to be housed

It's called helping those in need

Now surly it's right.that if some.does not want to move out of under occupied social housing that they should pay a premium so that extra money can reinvested in the greater social housing infrastructure

 

Erm, none of any savings (savings which aren't being made anyway for a plethora of reasons the government were told about) is being put in to new social housing. In fact the government have in the last couple of weeks pulled ALL future funding from any affordable rented housing. They will now only fund shared ownership schemes. This is coupled with a whole raft of measures which are going to spell the death of public housing.

All of which means, allied to the right to buy, less affordable rented housing resulting in more need to use private landlords. Actually increasing the housing benefit bill. But here's the key part - the money is going to private landlords instead. And who are the biggest new entrants to the private landlord market...hedge funds and investment banking. Wahaay! More transfer of wealth from the few to the many.

 

Your argument assumes that there is sufficient capacity in available housing everywhere for people affected to 'downsize' which we know is not the case. Therefore it becomes what it is i.e. an additional tax often on those who can least afford it.

Now I am not a Lefty Socialist but you seem to be letting a capitalist ideology get in the way of logical thinking. It would have been very easy to draft the law with clear exceptions such as handicapped people and also consider the current social housing stock distribution(lack of) when passing the law.

It was a bit like cutting housing benefits e and family credit BEFORE enforcing the proposed final minimum wage limits on business and cutting the Corporation tax business rates. In the interim period many people will suffer. I fully agree with stopping large corporations subsiding profits at the expense of the taxpayer and agree that small business get help via business rates cuts etc to help them afford pay rises. It should have been a co-ordinated set of policies. The way it has been done however, implies George O. doesn't give a sh*t for the low paid (even if hie does which I doubt)

 

Not fond of this policy which had the effect of removing British people from their homes to make room for bigger families from places like Somalia and Afghanistan.

Thought that lefties would love that kind of thing though since they love immigrants so much and seem to have nothing but contempt for their own people (unless they're from Islington).

 

Which of Corbyn's polices are treating ordinary British people with contempt? Proper living wage? Investment in public services and infrastructure? Renationalising the railways? Taxing large corporations? Encouraging small business growth?

I know which is worse for British people, a government who pursues ideological austerity. But I suppose they've promised a cap on immigration. That they can't and don't meet anyway.

 

That's because in the short-term immigration is good for the economy, long-term it isn't but politicians don't think long-term.

 

it's quite a skill you have there to turn everything into debates about immigration!

 

So how is Corbyn treating British people with contempt?

 

By having more MPs in the shadow cabinet representing Islington constituencies than ones from the North.

Most of the 200,000 new member are middle class Metropolitan Guardian-reading types as well, the party is actually moving further away from it's roots and traditional voters.

 

Hmm. Still not sure why he's treating British people with contempt.

Are you saying he's treating Labour voting northerners with contempt by not have more northern MPs in his cabinet? I'd rather he draws together a cabinet that reflects the views of his mandate of Labour leader personally.

Or are you really implying he's treating British people with contempt because he isn't demonising immigrants?

Maybe traditional Labour voters will like the traditional Labour social justice policies he's putting forward?

 

It is about immgration, British people being kicked out of their houses to make way for immigrants with bigger families.

That's how Labour councils ethnically cleansed white cockneys out of the East End of London, by giving all the council houses to Bangladeshis because they had bigger families.

 

Is this 'most' figure you quote the 19,000 new members from 'city prosperity' out of the total 200,000 (new) members. The figure is also 40,000 of 380,000, so percentage-wise in line with New Labour and far more representative than the Tories.

But then why let maths get in the way of a good lie?

 

Your so full of **** its unrealistic.
Don't mind D debating with anybody but not with facts from Hitler loving groupies.

 

Too many commies on here Gloria with idealistic ******** that will never happen, they live in a fantacy world. Just better to leave them to their own little ridiculous dreams of revolution as they really have no comprehesion of what they say and no one with any intelligence would ever give them credence. Ignore them.

 

Not really, it shows that there should have been exemptions considered beyond the current policy but that's what appeals and litigation are for. I think the policy is good in principle but unwieldy in practice. It probably needs to be given a review followes by an amendment.

 

Is it in fact the council's house house they are being kicked out of. A four bedroom house the council built in a portfolio of various sized houses, with the four bedroom one being specifically designed to house say 5 people or perhaps a few more - rather than a couple.

Despite being in favour of a huge social housing expansion (or rather reversal of the right to buy) and against the more draconian measures of the "Bedroom Tax" I can't help thinking that councils managing their housing stock well by asking old couples living in subsidised large properties to move into smaller properties so that the council (i.e. the rest of us) don't have to pay private landlords and B&B's is not an unreasonable policy.

Asking a couple to move out of a two bedroom place when there are no one bedroom places is stupid, as is the whole carer debate, etc. But the general principle of subsidised housing being appropriately sized is common sense isnt' it

By the way that doesn't make me a Tory neither.

 

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Irony alert "Dubai Trump"

 

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Its Dubya not dubia

 

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Yes ,was thinking the same, but didn't want to give the pathetic post any 'credence' Oops see what I did there. Love it when Tory nerds call anyone that opposes them 'commies' Must be great for em sitting in the ivory towers in another country spouting right wing ****.