Cameras on M1 when it changes to 4 lanes

The 10% + 2 is a guideline not law. Although I'm sure it's followed by West & South Yorks Police.

And yes, from what I've seen, the cameras are active even when there's no speed restrictions displayed on the gantries. I travel to Leeds
mans back every day. Be interesting to know if you get a ticket as I've thought they go off when a cars been going not much more that 70.

There's 2 * Hedac 3 cameras in each direction (Northbound & southbound). The yellow average speed cameras are now gone or not in use. Looks like the final stretch near M62 is about ready.

 

95% certain that they're only on if there's a speed limit being shown on the gantry. So if the limit is 50, like it has been in parts of the M1 for a while, then the cameras will be on.

I was on my way down to the game on Saturday and the first one showed 50mph, but then no other speed limits for about 3 miles, until I got to a national speed limit sign. Reckon quite a lot will have got done over the weekend, but I reckon there not properly working yet

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There has to be some leniency as not everyone's speedo rada the same so I don't think you are right there my friend ...

 

Hope your right mate haha


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Yeah not particularly paying well ) not
Much football played on our part )

Second half we let them play

But last nights win feels just as good as Saturday so who cares haha


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Er I think you'll find the speed limit is 70. And if you're "Only" doing 75, it suggests you normally drive at 80+.

In my experience, driving at such speeds only results in you (and everybody else) ending up doing lower average speeds. Back in the 70s in the fuel crisis, there was a voluntary 55mph limit and most people stuck to it, the result was shorter average journey times.

 

!0% margin is correct BECAUSE....

...most vehicles speedometers read high. Sounds daft but I have had Sat Navs from the early days and on several cars (including many hire cars). I have had 3 or 4 different Sat NAvs too ALL of which gave a lower speed reading from my speedometers.

Now you might think that they may be reading low but NO! With every car I have had, on long journeys I have set the Cruise control at various time to 50, 60 and 70 and timed the distance covered over a given period and invariably the SAT NAV has been more accurate.

Therefore, based on my experiences,. speed limits of say 50 you should not be ticketed at 55, 60 at 66 and 70 at 77 (displayed on the car speedometer). Obviously the lower the speed e.g. 30, the less difference hence more tickets are issued in urban areas 30 zones as 35 is well over 10%. Given there are more hazards -pedestrians, junctions, turnings etc. in urban areas that makes sense.

Given the lack of pedestrians on motorways, safer cars e.g stopping distances, air bags, seatbelts crumple zones, etc. and the 70 speed limit is a legacy from the oil crisis of the 1970s you can only think there is another agenda to speed cameras on the motorway. That said one thing hasn't changed and that is the idiot behind the wheel (I include myself in that classification). And there is a lot more motorway traffic to consider nowadays.

I tend to stay within 10% (except the one 3 pointer I got at 2 am on a deserted stretch of A1 motorway 12 years ago on a clear summer night in a BMW when I was nobbled by a forward facing camera at 86mph). Fair cop! ?

Give me police patrols any day over static cameras as the former can decide if inappropriate speed justifies a prosecution rather than simply exceeding the limit. After all 50 in a 60 zone in dense fog - camera doesn't flash. 78 on a deserted rural dual carriageway camera does flash. I know which is the most dangerous as would the police ! The camera doesn't.

The BIG problem I have is there is no right to challenge. In any other case the law requires corroborating evidence but with unmanned speed cameras it is your word against an electronic machine and computers etc. are NOT infallible. However, the law ALWAYS sides with the machine because scientists/ manufactures say they are infallible and we always believe scientists don't we ??

Finally, it is interesting to note that here In Italy, static unmanned urban speed cameras were ruled 'unconstitutional' when someone mounted a legal challenge after a disputed summons, so they are only valid in a court of law here if they are manned. So if you see police sitting next to one and it is 'open' (they look like post boxes) here, then they are working. Otherwise they are not operating.

 

Not sure about that one- don't remember it being voluntary either!. I know in fairly heavy traffic the phenomenon of the 'phantom traffic jams' caused by speeding up slowing down of traffic flow exists but on a LONG journey on uncongested motorways the difference on, say a 375 mile journey between 60mph and 80 mph (legal here in the dry on Autostrada) is an hour and a half! Even 70 -80 saves 50 minutes. In Germany driving slow is quite scary as the little dot in your rear view as you pull out to overtake a lorry at say 65mph can very quickly become a BMW Audi or Merc travelling at 140mph nose down braking and flashing headlights as it is the equivalent of pulling out from stationery with a car approaching at 75mph!! Not good on a 2 lane autobahn!!

 

Re: !0% margin is correct BECAUSE....

Correct, speedos are allowed to read over (ie showing you doing 70 when you are actually only doing 66) but can't read under as that is against the law.

Cameras being set at a few miles an hour above the limit isnt anything to do with inaccurate speedos though nor is it a law. It is advice that most police forces follow but isn't the law so if they want to set the camera at bang on 70 then they can. The reason most don't is simply down to them recognising that it is safer to give a little bit of grace. If everyone sat constantly watching the speedo and sticking religiously to 70 there would be accidents everywhere, by letting you feel the car yourself and float around 70 it is safer. You are more relaxed knowing that you can accidentally accelerate a little bit without getting flashed.
The problem with the above comes when people like Barnsley loyal know about the exatra few miles grace and so abuse it by pushing it to the absolute limit which defeats the purpose of having the grace in the first place and instead creates the same nervous hawk like watching of the speedo.

And by 'people like Barnsley loyal' I include the majority of drivers and myself sometimes.

 

Re: !0% margin is correct BECAUSE....

Also the situation of daft sitings of cameras where say on a rural twisting single carriageway you get a reasonably short straight section with a speed camera half way along and good visibility for overtaking and are following a lorry who was doing 30-40mph but whose speed is has now increased to 50-55)

Do you a) on seeing the road is clear accelerate and overtake quickly and safely spending as little time on the 'wrong' side of the road even if means slightly exceeding the speed limit whilst overtaking OR b) struggle to get past within the speed limit at say 5mph faster than the lorry and risk having to abandon the manoeuvre if it is taking too-long. If the speed camera is set to exactly 60 then a) (in my view the safest method) would result in a a speeding fine if you pass the camera at say 65mph. I am not on about reckless overtaking but strict adherence to speed limits does not take into account the actions of others e.g. lorry driver continues to accelerate when someone is overtaking) . Another reason I disagree with static unmanned cameras which do not take into account conditions or circumstances. Nor will I ever agree with self driven cars where I am not in control. Emergency stops caused by pranksters/kids could cause havoc for passengers once they get used to the uniform stopping distances of self driven cars and the fact that they are supposed to be 'failsafe'

 

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Very rare event to drive on uncongested motorways in the UK mate.

I'd rather take the extra time and arrive relatively relaxed and unstressed. Those who say they don't suffer stress on our motorways are simply lying to themselves.

Impossible to drive on our motorways like they do in Germany even if there we no speed limits.

 

I believe they are using the Hadecs 3 cameras at the side of the motorway so dont think the only cameras are the ones on the gantrys. when i travel home from the games you can see the infra red lights on columns as you pass them.

 

The "10 percent + 2" idea stems from the long standing ACPO guidance to forces, which I believe evolved back in the day when there could easily be a 10% inaccuracy on vehicle speedos. By allowing 10% and adding a couple of mph's for comfort it was felt there would be less chance of crafty briefs challenging prosecutions where the driver was a small amount over the limit. Hence saving time and money on wasted prosecutions. Anecdotally, I've heard there is very little tolerance on the 'smart motorway' round the M25, but it's not s stretch I ever drive. When all the new ones are in place in West Yorkshire, and also that stretch below Sheffield/Worksop, I don't think I'd care to take any chances by going over 70. As said above, they are legally within their rights to prosecute for 1 mph over.

 

i know summat they are bloody dangerous when it's dark and flashes on opposite carriageway !

 

If Barnsley Loyal could update us if he gets anything through the post in the next couple of weeks, it may prove or disprove the theory of them being active all the time.

I'm of the thinking that they're currently set that tight so that other drivers will see someone get snapped and then adjust their speed in the future.

 

Will certainly keep you all updated

Got flashed at least twice so either 6 points coming or none at all

Can you get 2 instances of speeding within 1 mile ?


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Southbound the 2 cameras are about 4 miles apart. Northbound they're about 6 miles.

I'll make a note of em in the morning on mi way to work.

 

This bit makes me laugh.

Already, 211 miles of road have been designated as “smart” because they have electronic message signs to vary the speed limit — and speed cameras to enforce them — as part of an effort to make traffic flow more efficiently without having to build additional lanes.

Most drivers know that middle lane tossers contribute to congestion far more than drivers doing 75 mph but they simply can't be arsed to sort that particular issue out.

 

See this every morning now with 2nd, 3rd and now 4th lane tossers, not moving across when the lane to their left is clear.