The Unfortunate Reality Of The Winnall Situation...

is due to his percieved lack of pace (still a faster runner than me) he wont command the sums which ive heard being banded around. He a finisher, and when the supply is right, a very good one, probably the best weve had since Darren Foreman or boggy (only kidding). If Sam were like lightning aswell, I dont think we would have been able to sign him in the first place as proven lg 2 scorers with pace are usually snapped up by championship clubs and above.
The Connor Washington argument is a valid one, but he does (to my knowledge) have pace) which is a very sought after quality as a striker, therefore always going to make him go for more money and he plays for Peterborough, who have a reputation of driving a hard bargain, unfortunatley we dont and were little old barnsley and we often get shafted.
If a championship club comes in for him and offers over a million, I think he will go. Firstly because i think its a price the board will consider and secondly Sam will probably double his wages at least. I think he likes the club and the fans and we like him, but this is footie, and money talks.
So, the worst case scenario, Sam departs, im sure LJ would have been looking at possible replacements, but for me he would need replacing with goals now, not potential in the future. One things for sure, if we do sell him and dont have the common sense to replace him in this transfer window, all hell will break loose and our upturn in form will wain.
I want him to stay, its great after watchin the reds since 87, that we have a 'natural' goalscorer, as theyve been in short supply over the years, but if he does go, who should we be looking at as replacement?
And if he does go....not Leeds...anybody but leeds....especially with that cardiac arrest waiting to happen in charge...truly odious individual..with no principles.
Quick note aswell, LJ deserves great credit, hes treated triumph and adversity with the same demeanor and attitude. I also believed like many he was lucky to still be in a job after Altrincham but hes shown that making the right signings, things can turn around, a big well done to him and the board.

 

Love Sam to bits - but absolutely agree about his pace. Hope it puts off potential suitors!!!

 

Its a simple equation

our stated aim is to buy young players cheaply, make them a better footballer and sell them on at a profit. This is exactly what it appears we are doing with Sam, my only hope is we sell him for what he is worth, in my view anywhere over 1,5 million

 

So assuming we sell,how much is a 20 goal a season striker going to cost us? We don't want potential we need someone who can do it now.

 

Been saying the same.

Clubs pay for goals, potential and pace. Unfortunately for us Sam lacks pace which reduces his potential.

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Totally correct...its one thing selling...its another signing a replacement.
To get a proven 20 goal per year man would cost....at our level 1 million plus.
Btw Jordan Rhodes ain't blessed with pace but is a fine fine finisher.

 

I don't agree it's all about goals to games ratio, Kevin Phillips never had pace but would get you goals even st 37 years old.

 

Our stated aim should be to sell players on at the greatest profit possible, not just simply a profit. Its that small time, self defeating mentality that has left us mid table in league 1. Selling Sam now will just write off yet another season, just as it's getting started. I cant believe the club would be stupid enough to sell now.

Whats the point in long contracts if we neither use them as leverage to receive an extortionate fee, nor keep hold of the player to help the club achieve something in the immediacy?

 

You're bringing out one example there when theres a whole host of recent examples which prove clubs pay for pace.

Washington, Andre Gray, Vardy, Gayle, Callum Wilson all went for big money because they have pace and potential.



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Jordan Rhodes and to an extent Kevin Phillips are a good example of what im saying. Jordan Rhodes has scored goals for fun all his career, but is still playing for a team fighting relegation in the championship because hes not quick and Kevin Phillips (i thought he was quick) never played for anyone above Sunderland.
I agree it should be about the goals you score, but this day in age, pace seems to be as important, example theo walcott (couldnt hit a cows arse wi a banjo but fast)

 

Somebody like Michael Smith.

 

Pace will always be key but if it was the only attribute Lloyd Isgrove would be playing for man utd not BFC. Agreed about Rhodes, the fact non of the premier league clubs have took a punt must be down to something.

Kevin Phillips played for England and didnt have a bad career! he had pace over the vital distance for a striker, 5 yards.

 

Pace and goals will get u more ....always will.
But Sam's value would be around £1.5 million (imho) and yes more if he had pace.
This is all down to the board....so do we need to sell?....if we do ....will the fans renew season tickets?
Will they trust anything we say etc will the club be less of a sellable commodity?
As a few are saying...this says so much more than another pplayer leaving for peanuts.....it sets out our morals as a club and the way we are pecieved by other clubs and our fan base.

 

If they don't wanna pay what he's worth, then hopefully more chance he will still be a red!

 

Ian Rush didn't do too bad as a striker not blessed with lightning speed.

 

I go back to an earlier question, where could be get a 20 goal a season replacement? This window will say an awful lot about us as a club. I suspect the board have a plan B. I hope to god it's not another kid in on loan.

 

I thought it was accepted that one of Rush's attributes was his speed.

 

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