Johnson speaking to Bristol

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  1. Marc

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    not a chance. untenable position now for me, unless there's a huge turnround and a club statement that actually makes some sense. i imagine he'll get booed on sunday, whether he's with us or not.
     
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    Agree completely.
     
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    I think they were hoping against hope he'd turn it round so as to avoid spending coin PC does not want to spend given his own personal position and desires.
     
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    Seem to remember rumour and talk on here that one of the reasons for not sacking him was so the prospective new owners would do the job and payoff etc.

    Ties in nicely should he leave. Take over happens and they are free to appoint.

    All rumour and conjecture of course.
     
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    Great post Seybass. I agree completely.
     
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    I thought he wasn't sacked because the club couldn't afford to sack him?
     
    Gloria Stitts, Feb 5, 2016
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    Very well said. Seven posts in three years? You need to get posting more :)
     
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    Very well put.
     
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    Wouldn't bother me. If he goes and discusses the job with them and he thinks he's better off staying, that's fine by me. Presently he has no decision to make, Bristol City ask to speak to him, he's speaking to them.
     
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    Take the sentiment out of it. What's the problem with someone who has a job being interviewed for another one. I've done it. I'm sure you have.

    Genuine question
     
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    Fair question. First and foremost I was passing an opinion on what I think could happen. I wasn't referring to how I would react. I wouldn't boo him if he stayed. I want him to stay and I'd be quietly relieved. To answer your question though..

    I don't know what you do for a living, so i'll compare it to me and my industry. I don't think there are many comparisons at all. I'm one of around 30,000 employees. I'm instantly replaceable. I earn a decent wage, i've been well looked after and I don't want to leave particularly. But my skills are relatively common and it would go largely unnoticed if I left.

    I don't think the same applies to Lee Johnson. He's given a 3 year contract based on a plan. The whole infrastructure and success of the club evolves around that plan, generally speaking. People buy season tickets, turn up on match day and corporates are lined up, based on that vision. A lot of time, money, blood sweat & tears are invested on the back of it. The success of the Club matters to people. It matters a lot. Manager's ask for patience and support and in return, supporters ask for success on the pitch and with that I think, some degree of loyalty when fortunes turn.

    I don't know the details of how Johnson has been approached. He could have turned his back on his. Patrick could have given him his blessing. The Club may have not been ar$ed and just seen it as an opportunity to actually not lose money on a manager, for once. We don't know. Looking back on it though, there's no smoke without fire. Odds went through the floor and within hours he's gone from 'not giving it the time of day' to sat having talks at the club. That just doesn't sound right to me, and I suspect a lot of people just won't believe Lee Johnson if he says there hadn't been any conversation. So for him to come back and expect to carry on as normal. Just won't happen. The trust will have gone for a lot of people.

    Bottom line is if i leave my job, no one really gives a **** and no one is affected. I'm very insignificant, and it happens literally every day. For a football manager, there are many reasons why that just isn't the case. So yeah, I think it's very different.
     
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    I can see your point of view though it's not one I necessarily agree with.

    The statement from the club seems to go against the building a plan around the head coach idea though doesn't it? They state that whilst part of that plan its success or failure does not rest with the Head Coach and a structure has been put in place to counteract any changes.

    If Johnson doesn't take the job. I presume we would not want to pay off his contract so he would presumably remain.

    There is a lot of emotion in football. But Lee is a young guy in a very unstable job with ambitions to fulfil and a family to provide for. He shouldn't be castigated or criticised for considering what he may see as career advancement. In fact it would be hypocritical of us as a club to expect anything else given the circumstances of his recruitment.

    Not being overly flippant but I suspect there are many coaches that could get us to the dizzying heights of 13th in Division 3 so I would put Lee's level of worth as the same as yours in terms of its impact of his employer. I work for myself so if I quit I really am ******.
     
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    I can see your point of view though it's not one I necessarily agree with.

    The statement from the club seems to go against the building a plan around the head coach idea though doesn't it? They state that whilst part of that plan its success or failure does not rest with the Head Coach and a structure has been put in place to counteract any changes.

    If Johnson doesn't take the job. I presume we would not want to pay off his contract so he would presumably remain.

    There is a lot of emotion in football. But Lee is a young guy in a very unstable job with ambitions to fulfil and a family to provide for. He shouldn't be castigated or criticised for considering what he may see as career advancement. In fact it would be hypocritical of us as a club to expect anything else given the circumstances of his recruitment.

    Not being overly flippant but I suspect there are many coaches that could get us to the dizzying heights of 13th in Division 3 so I would put Lee's level of worth as the same as yours in terms of its impact of his employer. I work for myself so if I quit I really am ******.
     
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    just to clarify, i'm not even saying i blame him for leaving. i probably agree with most of what you said. i just think it's unrealistic for him to walk straight into talks with another club after last night, and expect to be welcomed back with open arms if he can't agree terms. it's football. fans just don't operate that way. i think it's all irrelevant like. i think it's a done deal and he won't be our manager for sunday's game.

    **** knows how sunday is gonna go like. no idea.
     
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    Like you say it wouldn't have got to this stage if it was pretty much cut and dried.

    I think the team will react well on Sunday. Or at least I hope they will.
     
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    And there was widespread acceptance that they'd f.cked up a bit in the Summer...
     
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