Boris joins the 'OUT' gang

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  1. Red

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    Nice one Boris nice one son , et al
     
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    That's me voting in then
     
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    well I have for a long time thought that getting out was the best thing.

    But right now I am totally unsure which is the best thing for the UK. Its nothing to do with Boris wanting out, its simply that I honestly do not know which way is best. I certainly think that we are not treated fairly in the union but not certain if getting out will improve our lives.
     
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    Re: well I have for a long time thought that getting out was the best thing.

    Very disappointed
     
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    Re: well I have for a long time thought that getting out was the best thing.

    I've got no idea what is best, that's why I'm happy for the politicians to make the decision as its supposed to be their area of expertise. It's shouldn't be down to who's the best at spin.
     
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    Re: well I have for a long time thought that getting out was the best thing.

    Very true and this is the problem. Very few of us have any idea what the actual benefits and drawbacks of being in or out of the EU are. How many of us can hand on heart say we know how much it actually costs us financially to be a member? And how many can say they know how much financially we get back directly? And that is just the very surface of what is a complex complex situation.

    It appears to me that only the very simplest and headline grabbing issues get shared with the public. Immigration, laws and human rights. Aside from that do we REALLY know what it all means? I certainly don't. I doubt that the vast majority of politicians do, it is only a few European experts that really have an idea and we don't get the truth from them because they have an agenda, they are either pro or against and everything they say is biased towards their viewpoint (naturally) then there is the problem that the majority of information comes via the biased and bent media who all have their own agendas.
    In short it is wrong to entrust such an important decision to the uneducated masses who will be votng based on misinformation and headline grabbing sound bites. For that reason I honestly can't cast a vote. I wouldn't sit on the jury and give a verduct in a murder trial if I had been playing candy crush during the trial and only listened to the summing up so why would I cast a vote on something like this when I haven't got a clue what the implications and facts are?
     
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    could you explain this please

    why are you disappointed?
     
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    thats exactly what I am thinking too.. ST

    I feel very un-informed to make a precise decision... My gut re-action is to get out... but a little voice is kinda saying "lets just hang a mo here"
    Lots of high powered business men are saying stay in.. Branson for one.. but does he actually live in the UK .. or is he just milking it for his business reasons ? I am a bit confused about it all.
     
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    Re: could you explain this please

    That's it then. Don't trust Cameron or Corbyn or the silly pillock in Sheffield. so I'm for OUT
     
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    Re: well I have for a long time thought that getting out was the best thing.

    It's difficult but one of the main aims was to prevent European wars which it has done well. And better trade within Europe again a success. My job depends on it being easy to work in Austria Germany France etc. especially since our Electonics component manufacture industry is now non existent So for me it's a no brainier I need us to stay in.

    It it does have serious flaws but then again so does the existing UK government system
     
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    Re: thats exactly what I am thinking too.. ST

    DT I am for in and mainly for two reasons. Peace and liberty. Its no coincidence to me that we is why we have been mainly peaceful since WW2. It is what it was set up for, with the common market being the tool for delivery. Its not perfect and the recent movement of bodies is causing some concern, but I feel that there is the will in Europe to make the necessary adjustments to alleviate those concerns. Most wars are the result of greed (either for power or money and both are intrinsically linked) so if your economy gives most people a comfortable life you get less strife and less for the warmongers to feed on. Many social justice laws could also be lost which would be a great shame. Barnsley also benefited greatly from EU funding in the past following the loss of the pits.

    Like I say its not perfect and as much as I am not a tory I am glad the PM as taken it upon himself to look for change. You cannot get change from outside.

    From Wikipedia:
    The main aim of the EEC, as stated in its preamble, was to "preserve peace and liberty and to lay the foundations of an ever closer union among the peoples of Europe". Calling for balanced economic growth, this was to be accomplished through:[15]

    The establishment of a customs union with a common external tariff
    Common policies for agriculture, transport and trade, including standardization (for example, the CE marking designates standards compliance)
    Enlargement of the EEC to the rest of Europe
     
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    The EU must be dreading having a referendum

    not withstanding if we vote out. There would be calls for similar referendums from a lot more members groups, certainly the ones that feel they are shoring the rest up
     
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    Re: well I have for a long time thought that getting out was the best thing.

    I can genuinely sympathise with you there DT and you won't be the only one, people in genuine quandary what's best for their businesses etc and a lovely person like Boris and others on both sides playing games for their own self satisfying agendas.
    I feel on issues like this they should be held to account but what's chances of that?
     
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    Re: well I have for a long time thought that getting out was the best thing.

     
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    Re: The EU must be dreading having a referendum

    Poor article full of nothing but wooly words.
     
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    Re: thats exactly what I am thinking too.. ST

    Interesting that there is no mention of absolute political union..which according to many of the founders was the actual goal.
     
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    Re: well I have for a long time thought that getting out was the best thing.

    When I look at what some of the more odious members of the tory party want, such as gove, duncan-smith, patel, boris bumble, the message is clear, vote the other way, because that bunch of self serving bleeders will only have the interest of their own kind at heart.
     
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    Re: well I have for a long time thought that getting out was the best thing.


    Are you then endorsing Cameron and Osborne ?...probably two of the most damaging Tories ever to hold Office.
     
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