A few things I noticed.

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  1. Wayne

    Wayne Well-Known Member

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    Take it that was a reply to hemsie, not me?
     
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    I'm really lost in this thread. I don't really understand what more we want the defence to do than keep clean sheets. I'm honestly not bothered if Roberts hits me with the ball in the East Upper every time he gets it as long as he keeps the ball from going in our net. We've got players in the team that can pass the ball as well as anyone in the division through our midfield so I don't see the necessity for a young centre back to be Bobby Moore.

    I'd also say that I'm yet to see Roberts be beaten in the air, beaten for pure pace, lose a 50-50 tackle or be out muscled. No he's not the best defender in the world, yes he's still learning but he's a young lad with masses of potential who we need to stick by and give the proper coaching.
     
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    You need to get the quotes right mate, l didn't compare him to Stones, they meaning BFC. From what I've seen of Bree so far, he's a million miles away from Stones.

    Here's the sentence:

    "Opinions indeed. Williams did brilliantly, Bree - wow is this the kid they thought was better than Stones? His reading of the game is shocking, but he's young and I hope to god he gets better."
     
  4. Jack Tatty

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    I'm honestly amazed that people think a clean sheet is the pinnacle of a defence.

    Or scoring a goal is the pinnacle of a forward.
     
  5. Marc

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    I can't get my head round some of the comments in this thread

    recognises the importance of player development, but it only seems to be certain ones. allow certain players to make mistakes, but not others. comment on some players making mistakes being to the detriment of the team, but with other players that's just part of the learning curve and should be accepted.

    defenders will tell you a clean sheet is like a striker scoring a goal. to defenders, keeping a clean sheet is the absolute bedrock of their job. the other defensive qualities are built around that. if we don't concede, we can't lose the game. it's that simple.

    - Sam Winnall is the 3rd top scorer in the League. Only two other teams in the top 10 have a player who has scored more goals. Bear in mind, for most of the season we've been largely $hit and he's been played out of position for many games
    - We have climbed from bottom to 10th
    - We are the top form team in League 1 over the last 10 games
    - More points than anyone, better goal difference than anyone, won more games than anyone, scored more goals than anyone and no one has conceded less goals
    - At Wembley for a bit of silverware and a Barnsley lad at the helm who everybody loves

    How anyone can suggest the Club aren't making progress, is beyond me

    What I will say on James Bree though, is he's playing a lot of football and mistakes are starting to creep in. I'm not his coach, but I do wonder if he mebbi just needs a bit of a rest. Sloppy passes which put us under pressure and have cost us goals. Players also seem to be going past him a lot easier than they were. I'd hate to see him burn out and end up getting dropped...
     
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    Yeah sorry Wayne, I was replying to Hemsie, cheers
     
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    Agree whole hearted with you Marc.

    Up until recently we were the form team in England and 3rd in Europe, I believe!

    We have , not surprisingly had a dip, that form would not be sustained at that level by ANY team.

    But we still ground out a win and bounced straight back from the defeat at Gillingham.

    The players still look full of confidence and I am confident we will carry it on.

    We can't win 3 or 4 nil every week, nobody can.

    I have been impressed with the way that Hecky has conducted himself and It is clear that he has the backing of the players.

    It also seems to me that Hecky was pulling a lot of strings when LJ was still here.

    It is going to be hard to reach the play off's but we are in a position to give it our best shot, so lets wee what happens.

    Come summertime and we remain in league 1, if, and its a BIG IF, we can keep this team together and hold on to key players, with additions to the squad and tweaks here and there, I am sure we would walk this league next year.

    Don't think we could have asked for any more over the last 2 months and all involved, including the owner and executives, deserve some major credit.

    Not one fan, even the happiest of clappers would have envisaged where we are now, 2 months later.

    Thats pretty much my view anyway, cheers
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  8. Wayne

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    No worries, problem is with Hemsie is that he seems to want to have different opinions to other people.Aka his dislike for Hassell and now for Winnall.He's a WUM.
     
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    Strange thread. league 1 player of the month and one of the divisions top scorers not good enough. A defence is not judged on its ability to keep clean sheets. It's a wibbly wobbly world. I'm unconvinced by Roberts and Nyatanga's form would suggest that if a decent player a la Long cane along that could talk and organise then we should get them in. They certainly wouldn't be 12 and playing for the under 14s of a premiership club though.

    Onwards and upwards
     
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    Southend draw or lose tonight and we beat Bury tommorow we go 7th

    Rubbish according to Hemsie
     
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    i think this is my main concern. i don't think we'll quite make top 6. too many teams ahead of us, and we're not really chipping away at 6th spot. we've had to go on a mental run just to get where we are. we would probably have to go another one very similar, to make up the ground. basically automatic promotion form, from being bottom the league. probably not realistic.

    so we finish the season strongly. hammill, conor and winnall are almost certainly off to a championship club. i wouldn't expect the club to stand in their way. you'll then have isgrove, fletcher & brownhill all returning back to their clubs. all of a sudden we've lost the bulk of our first XI and have another rebuild on our hands.
     
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    Yeah point taken. I guess if the club are serous about getting back to the championship they need to do everything they can to keep the best players bit I am realistic and know we will lose some if not all.
    I think the powers that be conducted themselves very well in the transfer window but as you say the real proof of the pudding is in the summer and they should, I hope be putting plans in place now if the top 3 players are going to leave.....Time will tell!

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    People can settle for avg because we beat the mighty Doncaster rovers. A team that have now lost 4 in a row.

    If the teams to become successful the team needs to improve.

    This we can't reach play offs crazy or theirs too many teams between the play offs and Barnsley. Barnsley could go 7th tomorrow.

    The world biggest club have won things and sacked their manager. Why ? Because short term succsess doesn't mean things will be rosey in the medium term.
     
  14. Jack Tatty

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    We lost 8 league games in a row and was second bottom of the table and only a point off bottom.

    We have now won 8 in 9 and within a sniff of the play offs.

    We are the form team in the division at present.

    People are just being realistic rather than going ott and putting too much pressure in the team and caretaker boss.


    Oh and we are at a cup final at Wembley.
     
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    Don't think our performance was average against Donny, so according to HT our players are all average. This short term success has taken us from bottom of league to potential play off hopefuls.
     
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    No we don't need to improve. We just need to carry on.
     
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    Is it mathematically possible that we could reach the playoffs? Yes

    Is it likely that we will maintain this fantastic league form right to the end of the season and reach the playoffs? Probably not as I think we might fall short. (Small squad/injuries/suspensions)


    I have followed Barnsley too long and feet remain on the ground.


    When Marcelle scored that goal I still had to check ceefax that evening to make certain for myself.
     
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    Who's saying we can't? People are saying it's going to be tough. Who's saying we don't need to improve? No one as far as I can see. And why the manager reference? Are you suggesting we don't have the right manager?


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  19. Whi

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    People were happy with the performance and more importantly at this stage of the season, the result. Nobody is deriding opponents nor our own team. Just you, funnily enough.



    Depends what you define as being successful. I don't think we need to improve much if at all to get to the playoffs. On current form we'll be top six in May comfortably, and will beat a L2 side at Wembley. If your version of successful is winning La Liga or the Cricket World Cup, then no, we're not going to do that.



    Yes.




    The world's biggest club are 6th in the Championship. :)
     

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