This may be of more help as to whether Brexit or not

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https://www.tuc.org.uk/internationa...l-policy/workplace-issues/tuc-report-outlines
I didn't post in DT's thread as the slagging had already begun and wanted to avoid that.
This isn't being alarmist either when you consider the sustained attacks already in place on the working people and their environment.The working person needs the EU more than ever. Edit: There's an attachment right at the bottom which has more detail on.

 

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Yes it helps. The more project fear gets spun the more driven I am to vote out.

 

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It's not project fear, It's not unthinkable that workplace rights could be drastically cut. We're already witnessing this already, without EU get ready.

 

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Workers rights will not be affected by leaving Europe nor are they being eroded already.

 

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If you think that then I suggest you look at the dozens upon dozens of changes there have been since the Coalition was elected. Thompsons Solicitors provide Employment bulletins and details of tribunal decisions on their websit.
Project fear is what Farage and the Tory right wing are spouting. Have you seen the Trade Union Bill?

 

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Of course there are tribunals, even when there are strict frameworks in place there are still going to be those who abuse the system and there are always going to be situations where mistakes are made. This won't change regardless of the outcome of the vote. Tribunals also find in the favour of employers because sometimes the worker is at fault.

 

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Many tribunals are instigated and not always because anyone has done wrong, it's to try and get a particular interpretation of the law. Frameworks mean not much unless their underpinned by EU legislation.
Let's not forget the highly elevated cost of taking an employer to a tribunal, didn't it increase by eightfold or something like that? Hardly favours a working person that doesn't belong to a Union.

 

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Would you say that in this day and age unions are effective in what they do in terms of supporting workers and encouraging public support from fellow workers or are the hierarchy of the unions more bothered about the grab grab grab than workers welfare?

 

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Me too.

 

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You would have to look at individual unions and inviduals, as well as all the Unions collectively to answer your questions.
I find the latter part of your questions rather loaded when you talk about the hierarchy and grab grab grab.
Collectively, take a look at the TUC, visit its website look at all the activity particularly education, to see there's far more to the TU than you may think. They regularly commission Independant studies on A range of issues so they can be informed as much as possible when advising members. Collective bargaining has helped to prevent a dog eat dog culture in the workplace.
As for encouraging public support, They can only present the case as strong as possible, but when you have the barriers such as the popular press and media that's largely controlled by iits opponents it's never going to be easy.
The union reps I have been associated with are dedicated people who work tirelessly and often in their own time and at their own expense.

 

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Hear bloody hear.

I am getting so riled now already about the bias towards the remain stance that it is getting tempting to vote out, out of spite, just because that is precisely what the establishment don't want me to do. I am desperate for a FAIR and informed debate but we are so obviously not going to get it, when the PM is doing a daily battle bus campaign tour whilst the leave camp can't access official papers and there is no obvious leader of the out campaign to put some energy into offsetting the PM's saturation coverage. The out camp have no chance while ever the only coverage is on minor UKIP members. I get the impression that the TV media outlets would like us to come to the conclusion that the only people in the out camp are fruitcakes and racists. No matter how tenuous the claims being made by the PM are, if they are the over riding view we are forced fed then people will see it as the only view.

 

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'come to the conclusion that the only people in the out camp are fruitcakes and racists.'.....I must say so far we don't need media manipulation to come to that conclusion, certainly the ones running/ ruining the OUT campaign .

 

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Your BBS wolfpack will however tell you that its the newspapers that poison the mind of the voter, and make you put an X somewhere contrary to your own persuasions.

Anyway, this time the voter choice is a tough one.

With George Galloway in, and Chris Grayling out, there's no respectable safe haven.

Thankfully I'll be on holiday.

But if someone can find out which way Ronnie Glavin swings on this one, i may go postal.

 

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I'd say that the majority of employers use employment law as a point of reference and a framework in which their employment culture is based - many look after their staff and don't need unions or the EU to treat their staff well.

Their are rogue employers, some of them large and we'll known companies, and these need to be forced to mend their ways either through legislation or through other methods however I believe these are in the minority.

It is my opinion that leaving Europe will have zero effect on the employment rights of British workers.

 

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It is loaded. And somewhat unfairly giving some stick unfairly where it is undeserved.

I could and still can see how the union movement would work in the working class environments where they originated steeworks, manufacturing etc and they should remain involved within these injuries for the long term.

It's just a shame that our heavy industry and manufacturing has been smashed by the Far East with help from the various incumbents in power at the time.

I suspect my general dislike of them stems from the unions around the transport industry more often than not.

This is where I struggle to see past greed. Tube drivers, bus drivers, train drivers. I can't decide if it's folk on the front line standing up to 'the man' or power mad people behind them pulling the strings and trying to force the issues.

Eventually it'll put them all out of a job.