The euro sceptics are now banding together. They are ganging up for when Cameron packs in . They do not want Osborne in Ian Duncan Smith has played a big part in his hatchet chopping but is now deserting the ship. The disability changes will never happen. They will vote it down IDS is plotting something and will have been promised something big. Labour have never had a better chance of getting back in.BUT will it be with Corbyn. We may see Labour oust him and two new faces slugging it out as leaders. Either way gentlemen the next few months are going to be very interesting. The plans for the workhouses have been scrapped
Tge vultures are circling and in the implosion vote wins then they've gone When you look at the inward investment from Europe that this region gets then that fron the EU that would be a disaster for Yorkshire
seriously doubt he would have got in anyway, totally devoid of ANY likeability factor and they would be worried about his chances of winning an election.
There is no doubt that the Tories are in disarray at the moment and it won't better any time soon, until the referendum is history. This is precisely the reason that they got it in this year, so they have plenty of time to recover before the next election. A stronger labour party would be getting every shot in at the moment, like a boxer targetting an opponent's split eye. But they are almost nowhere to be seen. As far as the leadership goes, I reckon Osbourne has badly damaged his chances because he has shown appalling lack of judgement on the benefits cuts for disabled people, and its not the first time. I just can't fathom why they didn't think this was going to play out badly, and I can't understand how they thought saving a billion quid a year, which is **** all, was worth the political damage.
I never really considered Osbourne to be the successor to Cameron however I do still think he'll be one of the candidates in the race, despite his second U-turn on benefits. I don't think he will win, nor do I think Boris will win (unless the country votes to leave which will almost certainly guarantee him votes from the right of the party). Europe was always going to tear the Tories apart, but they will regroup after the referendum and have enough time to get their act together. They are divided over principle whereas Labour are divided over personality - their leader. I don't think this can be repaired and I'll stick my neck out now and say that Labour will not win the next election if Corbyn is still the leader.
Spot on Mario, this is an ideal chance for Labour to capitalise but it won't happen. Agreed entirely that it will be another 5 years in government for the Tories whoever is in charge there unless Labour ditch Corbyn. A fact that some on here have still to come to terms with. But time will prove me right.
Being anti Tory all my life, but I have seen Labour go haywire before. Remember them making Michael Foot, a good politician, but not a leader. What a catastrophe. He made Corbyn look like a spiv. I just looked at him in despair, he looked as though he had just come off streets in London. "Follow me lads over the top" you must be joking. Having observed politicians over the years I trust none of them. As for Corbyn, he has no chance with the country overall. Milliband was the same. There is two guys in my mind who would make an impact, one is our own Jarvis ex army and fit and has cred. The other is the guy who should have been there before his brother David Milliband. One or the other would swing the ladies and we know what power they had before
The trouble is that many labour whilst ideologically are superb. They actually stiffle ambition and and therefore are counter productive for both the nation and the working man
I agree that Jarvis would make an excellent leader, I also have a lot of time for Alan Johnson who I think would be a fantastic leader of the Labour party. Labour will never get anywhere near government being led from the far left, they just seem unable to learn from past mistakes - when I say they I mean the grassroots not the MPs, most of whom seem to share this opinion.
Re:I think its worth another mention the workers flag is really pink, its not as red as most folk think!
Re: I think its worth another mention And just to show they're still sincere, they'll sing the red flag once a year.
Labour is split on Europe as well, Corbyn has been against it his whole life, now he's having to keep schtum because most of the party are pro-EU.
Incorrect, I saw a news report a few weeks ago where he stated, although he had previously been against the EU, times have changed and he now wishes to remain. I've seen no evidence anywhere to suggest Labour are split. If there are any that want Brexit it would almost certainly be a small and quiet minority, unlike the Tories.
Unfortunately some Labour MPs would rather criticise the Labour leadership than some of the disgusting Tory policies knowing it will gain them prestige in the Corbyn hating media, including our own representatives especially Jarvis and his supporters who elbowed away very capable local candidates to grab the post.imo
You've hit the nail on the head with the last sentence...I doubt Corbyn has just seen the EU light..it's more likely the least damaging position to take to keep the wider party on board , a decision to keep as quiet as possible whilst still not coming out to fully endorse the In campaign. Labour MP's have to then make a decision as to whether they are prepared to put their head above the parapet against the leader's ( purely pragmatic ) position and risk deselection prior to the next election.
