Osborne on way out

It's pointless Labour supporting Corbyn ideology when it's clear it will just give the Tories power at the next election and by a huge margin, this is not a biased opinion as I couldn't care less, but as a neutral looking in it's as obvious as the nose on my face, which is quite prominent. It's just a matter of time when the die hardship come to terms with this tho, well it's to be hoped anyway.

 

Dan Jarvis is a Blairite. "He was in the army so he must know a lot." What a load of crap. Corbyn has made Labour soar in popularity. Some people are so blind I really do wonder how they get along in life. I despair. Btw well done Barnsley

 

What a load of cack. The latest opinion polls show labour and the Tories level pegging. With Labour's "soaring" support at 34%. The Tories are in disarray at the moment and Labour don't even have a lead. That is damning.

 

Not necessarily, prior to the last coalition govt. there was nothing between the 2 parties despite Labour being in disarray. Also, there was nothing to suggest the Libdems would fair poorly in the actual numbers of votes.

 

really? ironic that bit about some folk being blind because the Tories have been in power for a fair time now, they are pushing ahead with some pretty unpopular policies being implemented by a chancellor who comes across as a right git. Any opposition party that was any good should be all over them like a rash and Labour under Corbyn aren't even close .

 

Labour ARE all over them. Normal people are too. The media are on the Tory side though. When you've got mainstream media on your side it's a losing battle. It's turning into a shambles now and we are blindly heading into an Agency/zero hours Britain generation. Worst unemployment figures since 1999.

 

Hasn't unemployment just fallen AGAIN

 

It's pointless critisising the Tories and in the next breath supporting Corbyn, it's like saying we don't like the way you govern but because we like our own leader so much we are prepared to give you another 5 years in power. That's illogical as Mr. Spock would say. There has to be a credible alternative to support.

 

I actually think most people asked on a non party political fashion about many issues would agree with Corbyn. The problem is that on a political level those views are seen as Socialist, and the media only has to mention the word and they go running for the hills

Interesting last couple of polls put Labour level with Tories, so whilst not conclusive of anything, it does suggest it's possible for Labour to win. His problem will be immigration. That's a vote loser for a large subsection of would be Labour voters.

 

And I do wish people would vote on policies not personalities. The media loves turning it into a contest of who is the best liar. You only have to look at the grief Corbyn gets for his choice of jackets. Who f. ucking cares.

 

Fallen has it? So people are are actually in a job, and not sanctioned for petty things, on zero hour contracts and/or on sh*tty hours? Oh aye, Osborne does have a way with the "truth".

 

Yes, because. It's Osborne that produces the unemployment statistics. Isn't it

 

IMHO you only have to look at what happened to Michael Foot (similarly principled) and the same will happen to Corbyn.
He might have some laudable ideas but he also has some far too extreme ones that too many people can't stomach. The guys just not leader material for the world stage I'm afraid.
The current state of the Tory party you shouldn't be talking level Labour should be well ahead., all that will happen now is the Tories will get the unpopular stuff out of the way and then take the lead.

 

Which are the extreme ideas out of interest?

 

1 creation of inward facing monopolies
2 giving Argentina the Falklands
3 abolish our defence systems
4 creation of a high inflation High unemployment economy

 

Falklands aside those aren't his ideas. Those are what his critics say will happen from some of his ideas. Lots of other economists disagree. And he doesn't want to abolish our defence systems. He wants a modern defence system suited to modern security threats, not Trident. Plenty in the defence community agree and certainly many of the electorate do. But even this isn't Labour policy yet, it's under review. So I'm not sure how these are extreme ideas?

 

defence, admits past associations with extremist groups, immigration, seen as divisive in his own party having too many ideas and no substance in proposals, too unionist for a start. I have no axe to grind either way, but there is far too much for the right wing press to dig at and is all the stuff that will put non committed voters off, he is too easy to have a go at and in some cases rightly so and on others not.
I honestly don't see him as a leader on the world stage, and if the Tories come to their senses and ditch Osborne they will be away again.
As I've said before what I think we really need is another John Smith, that was a massive, massive tragedy for the country as well as his family when he passed away so suddenly.

 

I think the stuff the press will dig at is a big issue. But I'm sure we will start to see a filtering process of policy. All of the big stuff, the stuff that matters to people on everyday issues, Corbyn has very popular ideas. People are getting to the point that they are demanding a fairer society. That the gap between the super rich and the rest is unacceptable, and they're sick of being told nothing can be done about it and it'll all trickle down. Housing, NHS, education, public services, protecting the vulnerable. These all affect all of society and much of the rest is white noise. Focus on these and Corbyn's views win every time. Even with the (terribly phrased) 'aspirational'. Schools, roads, parks, museums, bin collections, street cleaning, older people care etc affect us all.

Defence is complicated. When people like Max Hastings agrees with Corbyn then you know there's no simple answer. Although I agree with you, he will be easily characterised as soft.