EU referendum. Can someone from the YES camp please give me...

I was picking up on the fact that you suggested that if Italy decided to kick you out your position would be apparently protected by EU law. Which is a bit ironic given that you're voting "out".

I don't resent your life choices, I just think that given your life choices you should abstain from voting.

 

I worked in France, Germany and Holland before we joined the EEC in 1973. You got a residence permit as soon as you arrived by going to the town hall or cite administrative, and your employer then obtained your work permit, and if people have to revert to that, I see no problem.

 

Which is exactly why I was against even having a referendum

 

So you are in favour of expats and UK citizens not having any democratic rights and cannot as UK citizens vote on matters that may affect them and family living in UK. Irony?? As I sad we would not have to rely on EU law as people have been emigrating to Europe etc long before the EU came into being.

 

I've got two mates who are UK citizens that have to live abroad because they can't bring their non-EU foreign wives to Britain. I think you under-estimate the freedoms of movement you have enjoyed within the EU

 

If you include friends on Untapp'd, make that three! Actually I probably could get a job paying the needed amount quite easily, but I choose not to jump through all the hoops on principle as much as anything. Why the fck should we spend in the region of £10,000, plus separate a five year old BRITISH child from her mother for six months in order to live here? It's absolutely sick. The crappy, useless, putrid Putin Russian government on the other hand, sorted my residency with a few medical tests, a Russian language exam, and seventy quid in processing fees and taxes. Hmmmm.

 

Could you and your wife not come live here then?

 

It is ridiculous. Although one of them does have access to a shared swimming pool which is full of hot South American women so good knows why he wants to come back

 

We can, but the bureaucracy is absolutely mental, and completely discriminatory against UK citizens. I have to have a job which pays £21,000 a year in the UK. This should not be a problem, except I have to have it for six months before she can apply for a spouse's visa, so either me or her would have to be split up from each other, and our dependent child for six months. This in itself contravenes international law, and the Human Rights Act, which guarantees the right to a family life. All this is before all the fees for English tests, visas etc, which run into thousands. The biggest slap in the face, is that if I was Irish, French, or even Bulgarian or Latvian, I would be able to bring my Russian / Iranian / Chinese / Afghan wife, plus theoretically her family without so much as a language test, under EU freedom of movement legislation. But as I am a UK citizen, I get shat on by my own government. Absolute complete and utter twaddle.

 

According to current legislation, if he has a non-British EU passport he can bring them all back with him, as long as they're his wife's close relatives!

 

What a **** up all that is.

 

That's the abridged version. One utterly bizarre, but entirely possible scenario would have been (and this could still happen) is if Scotland gains independence, I would be entitled to a Scottish passport. I could then renounce my UK passport, and the whole family could enter what remained of the UK as an EU migrant family without all the bureaucratic ******, as I previously mentioned. After five years my wife could claim a UK passport. We would then have me, born in Yorkshire, with a Scottish passport, and my wife and daughter, both born in St Petersburg, holding UK passports. Wibble wibble.

 

As I said for my own part I'm not particularly a fan of the European project if we lived in different times with a neutral press and strong unions I would probably be an outer

 

Re: Confused by some of the answers from our left(ish) posters!!...

I was responding to your aggression with humour you should try it mate rather than shout texting to try to prove your point.

The Ifs is a politically neutral organisation just because it provides evidence you disagree with you attempt to cast doubts on its neutrality.

It seems you only understand dog whistle politics which is sad for you.

My personal view is that any individual should be entitled to vote in elections in the country they live in but not necessarily the country of their birth. That's not disenfranchisement it's about that vote having individual consequences

Like you said it's not a black and white issue if we had a politically neutral press and stronger unions I would probably vote out.

 

Re: Confused by some of the answers from our left(ish) posters!!...

Pray do tell-what is dog whistle politics? Clearly the irony of using the IFS to support your argument but when someone else points out that there are people who are less convinced about the neutrality of said organisation they must be regarded as someone you is politically naive and your intellectual inferior.

I don't know how old you, what your occupation or education is, are but it always worries me when people come on with unshakeable certainty that they are right and anyone who disagree with them is somehow semi-literate or uneducated. Nowhere in this thread argued that I know the answers (in fact the OP is a quetion thrown out to try and make sense of it all) but you seem determined to make out your intellectual superiority at every opportunity. Get off your high horse!

PS Please point out your attempt at humour and at the same time tell me where upper case appropriately aopplied to highlight points (not shove them down people throats) is 'shouting'

PPS I am not your 'mate' and patronising terms cut absolutely no ice with me.

 

Someone somewhere needs a smack.

 

i personally think you are worrying about nothing jimmy,i dont think 'nige','boris' and 'ids' are out to strip workers of what they have now,ie,paid holidays,maternity pay etc..the tories are now playing labour at their own game,mainly by going after the living wage,they've done this to attract those 'working class' floating voters that are easily swayed by a few quid and i think thats how they'll continue to fight elections because it can win them some votes and make it very difficult for labour to offer affordable alternatives.

 

Yep. That someone is Theresa May. The same Theresa May who in an effort to reduce net migration, has dreamed up some other new laws to remove skilled, taxpaying non-EU professionals from the UK, as well as fee-paying students. Care to give me a hand?

 

We're in London over the weekend, we could do it then.