Well hopeful that will never happen, and history has so far proven it is a safer method than lots of people crammed into a space standing, with fencing preventing access to the pitch in case of an emergency. I noticed at wembley there was something at the front restricting access onto the pitch. But I believe it is designed so that it can be removed in the case of an emergency by the stewards? I was just trying to get a reason why stadia were like that back then. I couldn't imagine being caged in now a days, but from what I've read it was to stop pitch invasions which were common back then? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free
Your right on all parts. But all designs and all policies are generally made from experience of accidents. I just hope we don't see people struggling to get out of God forbid a collapsing roof for example because we can't evacuate quick enough etc. I remember the penned in days. Noted above in previous comments. I went to that stoke game. We were held up. Had to walk nearly a mile to the ground and then all outside missing the first 15 mins. Luckily they called it full. And opened up the seating for us. So as a young lad I was actually saved from that potential crush.
Hopefully the families can take a little comfort from the point you make. Design etc. has improved tenfold from what football fans were subjected to previously. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free
At the time in the late 80's I thought things had improved in terms of violence at matches , the 70's were a free for all to be honest particularly before the match in most grounds
It may have mate? I've done a little reading just about English football in general around that time, also think Italy had problems as well? The problems may have subsided and football stadiums not adapted to the times? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free
96 people went to a football game, they said see ya later to their loved ones, they never returned , from 10 yr old to 60 odd such a wide range of people, 27 years later a its decided in court that these 96 people were unlawfully killed , 27 YEARS !! There are lots of opinions on this forum today, mine is the police was at fault all the time , But its not about our opinions , on what happened that day, it should be the question, why has it taken 27 years ? there is loads i could say about this , but i wont , because everyone has their opinions. But wouldn,t it be a great gesture at 3.06pm on saturday that a rendition of justice for the 96 rang out around Oakwell for a minute followed by a round of applause . After all we are all football fans going to watch the team we love , just like those 96 people did all those years ago
Re: The other thing I'm not sure how your cat fits in to death of or by Liverpool supporters. Brian my dog would have enjoyed a meeting though.
Would be a fantastic gesture mate but unfortunately as you can see with the content of some posts it won't happen,
Completely agree with this. The concourse is a disgrace & tiny. I last went on the opening day in one of Davey's last games in charge, we drew 2-2 & Butterfield got his first goal for us. It was awful, could barely move in there & all the smoke made it worse. Won't go back until somethings changed
It's interesting from a psychological perspective how deep the lies and mistrusts of the right wing press, the Thatcher government and the police are ingrained in people. This thread is a great example just ignore the facts and regurgitate the lies of the past.
Seriously? Please think before you post. They were the most well supported club in the country by a mile during that era so obviously there's going to be more fans trying to get in. If there'd have been standing & fences in grounds in the late 90's & early 00's then something like this would have been more likely to happen to Man United biggest they had the biggest fan base of that era.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-anatomy-of-a-disaster-video?CMP=share_btn_fb This will clear it up.
There's no bigger critic of what the police get up to than me. They made bad decisions on the day and were successful in covering them up for a long time. I just don't happen to think the fans OUTSIDE the ground were blameless either.
But the point is they could not have caused the disaster if the police had done their job choose how pissed up and aggressive they were.
Maybe, but when the gates opened the match was going to kick off, queues were huge, I dont think anyone here wouldnt have done the same & gone through the gate. The fault as shown in the video I posted was not to close off the 2 sections before they opened the gates. I also give you 1979 when Barnsley played there & we won 2-0, i couldn't move that game & never went in that section again.
Eh!. I'm only saying that the fences were in place due to the behaviour of fans/hooligans. I'm not doubting that the authorities made monumental errors that day and are to blame, however it's because of fans that the fences were in place so in that way the actions of the fans contributed (and not just Liverpool fans, and not just on that day)
Cam I just ask some of you more Knowledgeable posters on the subject, why Was the gate opened, and was there any chance of any danger outside the ground (eg people being crushed against the turnstiles?)
Yes, there was danger outside the ground and a very real chance of people being crushed. Leppings Lane really wasn't designed to accommodate so many fans entering the ground. It's a bottle neck and the number of turnstiles was never enough. The gate was opened to prevent injury to persons outside the ground. This had happened before, the gate had been opened in a previous game when a similar situation arose, but the match commander blocked off the tunnel and directed fans around the stand to the outside pens. That didn't happen in 1989. The obvious place to go when you come in through the turnstiles at Leppings Lane is down the tunnel. That's where the signs direct you to go. The central pens down the tunnel were already dangerously full and by opening the gates and allowing people straight down that tunnel, the result was what we saw, 96 dead. Had Dukenfield instructed his officers to block the tunnel and direct fans to the outer pens before opening the gate, no one would have been hurt.
That's like saying because we have criminals we have a police force therefore if the police shoot an innocent person it's that persons fault because we have criminals that created the polic force.