Quite simply one of the most harrowing things I've ever read..

It never ceases to amaze me how so many people on here can pretend I've said something which I haven't.

Does the word contributed mean responsible for your safety now?

Terrorists actions contributed and indeed led to the use of scanners and various other methods of airport security. All hail the terrorists for being rsponsible for your safety on airplanes

 

No we're not in agreement. By your logic everything that ever happens is influenced by everything that has ever happened in the past so that anyone can do anything they like and point the finger at somebody else's actions as being partially to blame.

Example, I get knocked off my bike by an ignorant motorist who blames me because some lycra clad nob jumped a red light last week.

 

Aye alright


Fact: perimeter fencing such as at Hillsborough existed because of the Police's inability to deal with football hooligans this perimeter fencing prevented the escape of victims and was a huge factor in the disaster

Think about that for a moment

 

If your saying contributed then your saying helped cause surely.
The strategy for dealing with s small minority of the crowd was wrong.
The strategy adopted was by the Clubs,Councils and police authorities.
The warnings that these strategies were dangerous were observed and acknowledged and ignored yrars before in fact the last semi final held there was a massive warning but yet they still used the same strategy .

People were responsible for that and if they factored crowd safety without drunks,ticket less fans ,and hooligans all of which were a known factor it was negligible.

 

Have you read the article Mario? If not I suggest you do; all of it. It's worthwhile for all of us to reflect on the guy's experiences and conclusions.

 

Yes I have read it and I agree it is moving.

 

Maybe on this occasion instead of debating your opinion on the matter you should just let it pass you by. 'kin 'ell, and that's coming from me

 

That was one of the hardest things to read I've ever experienced. Not sure what I was expecting but that was tough.

I don't think this thread or any other is the place to be splitting hairs over semantic arguments.

96 people died and the suffering of those who lost someone should be respected. I also have a lot of time for the authors discussion of the cultural suffering we all experienced due to this tragic event. It's an accurate assessment of the vilification that people can suffer at the hands of a myopic government.

 

I read it all, sadly.


Plenty of folk in the thread have argued the case excellently with you. Not that it's difficult. And not that it's the place really. I found it a really difficult, harrowing but also a must-read article, the erudite words of a survivor. I don't see what's up for debate. But I ought to have known you'd have a bash anyway.