Winnall

That's a bit harsh on Andy Saville mate. Strong, powerful runner who brought other players into the game. Scored some vital goals as well - Sheffield United away and West Brom at home spring to mind.

 

I liked Saville mainly because his name rhymed with Rammell. Decent player though with a good touch.

 

Also would have scored

but for a point-blank save by the keeper.

 

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Scoring goals is not an attribute.

 

He's a 20 goal a season striker. Of the 92 league clubs, about 10 of them will have a 20 goal striker on their books. We've not been one of those clubs for a very long time. It's something to be celebrated.

Sam like the rest of the squad is starting to look a little tired. His performances might be questionable at times, but because of his goal return, you'd be foolish to say that he isn't a vital part to our side.

We do miss Marley alongside him though.

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...which is another way of saying that at least he managed to get one shot on goal, but blasted it straight at the keeper.

 

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I refer you both to this video:

[video=youtube;-WIMJtfjJcg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WIMJtfjJcg[/video]




Note his deep, build-up play where he plays Fletcher in for the 1st goal. And his shot that certainly wasn't blasted straight at the keeper. If we're knocking him for not scoring that chance, then I give up.

 

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"Played Fletcher in for the first goal" is a bit of exaggeration, isn't it. Fletcher still had to beat the centre back, out pace the defence and beat the keeper from a difficult angle. My thoughts at the time were "stunning solo goal".

No-one is saying that Winnall does not score goals. He clearly does. What we are saying is that the rest of his play is not on the same level, and particularly that he is not the secure link, the outlet if you like, between defence and attack. Because we do not currently have that type of player (an Aylott, a Shipperley or a Ward), we find if harder to move surefootedly between defending and attacking. I maintain that the lack of confidence our ability to consistently and reliably move from defending to attacking is what is restricting our central mid-field players willingness to support an attack. They are focussed on preparing for the ball to be lost by our link player. It is the same reason why Winnall struggles in a 4-5-1 formation.

Let us not get carried away. We are a third tier team with, in the main, perfectly adequate third tier players. If we were promoted, many of them would just not be up to it. I am constantly amazed that so many on here cannot see the truth of this statement. I do not want to undermine your loyalty to Winnall. In many ways I find it admirable. I just question whether loyalty needs tempering with realism, because Winnall has no loyalty to you. He is a football professional who will play for the club who will pay him the most.

 

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You are knocking Sam for coming deep, for his poor play in the build-up to attacking moves. I've shown you an example of him doing so. Coming deep, receiving the ball and playing Fletcher in against their defence. Of course it was all Fletcher, the goal. Brilliant from him. But Winnall didn't give it away did he? That's my point.

Why can't folk just appreciate and support the players? Why the ******* critique? For what purpose?

 

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Stop it with the condescending stuff, pal. You've been doing really well of late but you're edging back to your old ways of talking down to folk.

I'm aware of a professional footballers MO. My missus' lad is one. **** sake.

My loyalty to Winnall isn't loyalty. It's respect. It's normal. Normal behaviour. I'm supportive and respectful of all these players. Because they've all made me proud this season. They've given everything. Which is the only thing I ever demand of players wearing our shirt.
Were it Hourihane or Williams getting it on here, stick wise, I'd be defending them n all. I voted Sam as POTY so I'm obviously more inclined to defend him.

"he is a professional footballer who will play for the club who will pay him most"

No **** Sherlock. I honestly wasn't aware of that.

What the chuff has that got to do with your continual suggestion that he doesn't offer enough, that other than the mass amount of goals and assists, he's not reight quick and can't play in a formation THAT WE DON'T BLOODY PLAY.

And for the last time, please stop posting as though you are Nostradamus. You have zero idea whether "many of them are just not up to it". If we're promoted, then this time next season, I accept you will then be able to tell us your opinion on whether they are up to it. Until then, tha just speculating.


"I am constantly amazed that so many on here cannot see the truth"

In other words - "I'm amazed folk disagree with me"





You have caught me at a bad time. The missus' lad has been dropped to the bench today. We're in a bad mood. Hence getting angry at your attempts to educate me about the motivation of professional footballers.

 

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Where do I start.

This is a place to have a discussion. It is a pub without the drink. It is a place where you air your views and other people challenge them.

I have been supporting my football club for 50 years. I started as a callow youth and I am now a grizzled old man. I like to think that 50 years has at least taught me a few things, and one of those things is that it is the club that is important, and not the players. The players come and go. Some of them were good and some were not. But whether they were good or not, they all moved on, and I am still here. The cult of the star player is not what is most important, the team is the most important and whether the individual skills of the individual players combines into a team that is greater than the sum of its parts. Sam Winnall is a fine goal scorer. Not the best that I have seen in a Red Shirt by a long shot, but nevertheless, a player that is above average at what he does in this league. However, I question whether his overall play makes the team better than the sum of its parts. For some, the most important aspect of our game is what happens in the goal areas at either end of the pitch. For me, it is more than that. I see magic in movement, in the way that the ball is worked up field, in the way that individual skills become part of a team endeavour. If you do not see that, then you will not know what the hell I am on about. If the game is just about counting the number of goals scored, then you are missing out on the poetry that can be played out on the football pitch, but which our current first eleven is a long way from delivering.

Sorry about that. Somebody seems to have hi-jacked my account.

 

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Three observations...
I agree it was a bit of an exaggeration...decent ball though it was.
Winnall is the best link we've got by a mile , and also the best striker , no matter how well written or long winded your criticism or observations are (and I accept they are considered and not the destructive knee jerk reactions of some) In my opinion you are mistaken...and it is all about opinions.
As to saying many of our players would just not be up to it...and particularly ' I am constantly amazed that so many on here cannot see the truth of this statement.'....I would say it isn't a truth...purely an opinion .

 

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We seem to be shouting over one another and that is never a good to a friendly debate, so I am off. Hope Jacob is soon restored to the first team.

 

Agree
Also goal scorers are at a premium.........more than any other position ...........like or not. Winnall imho is a great player for this league, a 20 a season player....who generally puts a shift in and I like his attitude, if another club came in and paid him twice as much (o r whatever.... higher) then good luck to him. I think a few other teams in our league would love him.

 

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Yes you are quite right. All of the stuff that I write is merely opinion. But all of the stuff that we all write is merely opinion. If I begin every statement with the phrase "In my opinion", my posts would be even more drawn out and boring than they already are. At least I produce argument and reasoning for my statements. It is a short-hand that is generally accepted in day to day conversation, which is what this is.

 

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I don't think they have. That was definitely you. Still missing my points, still trying to talk down to me.

Have a good day.

 

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"Played Fletcher in" gave me a giggle I must admit. Though your hero did pass it to him at least.

Ronnie Barker played Fletcher in Porridge. He was a bit of a hero of mine.

 

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Norman Stanley happens to be Ashley's middle names n all.

Be fair though, it was some pass that. Left Fletcher little to do..

 

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Seems some people are so precious on here and cannot take a difference to their own opinion.

 

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I agree.












Or do I?