Does a baby need a coach ticket?

no thats what happened when i copy and pasted it i couldnt be arsed to put it normal

 

Stewards will not let you in the ground, guaranteed. We went to Wigan away the season we went down and a bloke infront of us in the queue was not let in with a young child (looked about 2?)

Rightly so in my opinion too, when Fletcher scored at Sheffield United the bloke behind me knocked me flying.... what happens if that happens to you and your child gets hurt or even worse??

Don't take the baby fella, get a baby sitter... it's just not fair at all.

 

I'm not sure any of us have the right to question the parenting skills of another. I certainly haven't, not having kids of my own. Personally, I wouldn't take a baby to a football match. However, I don't think the child would be in danger or even uncomfortable, necessarily. I just think it would be a proper pain in the arse for the parents and simply not worth the hassle.

 

Speaking as a parent, I think its one of the craziest things I've ever heard.

Not taking into account the lack of any sort of baby facilities, which is not just for the game but for the entire day, but the whole environment, noise level, lack of safety, the fact that the parents would have to hold the baby all through the game, etc etc etc. I could go on.

I think, possible a home game, a quiet one, in the far reaches of the East Stand Upper, maybe would be ok. But I can't get my head around this one.

 

I'm not questioning Oakwellers parenting skills at all because frankly I don't know him, the baby or Wigan's ground but of course we, as adults, have the right to (in general) question people's parenting skills when they are clearly being dicks. I've never understood the notion that just because somebody has had a kid, which lets face it is one of the easiest things in the world to do (I mean getting someone pregnant) and is so easy that millions if not billions of people have done it by accident, just because somebody has done that means that they can do whatever they want to this baby or child and make big decisions, life changing decisions, on its behalf and are beyond reproach because they essentially own the child so it's nobody else's business. We wouldn't do that if they were mistreating or being cruel to a pet but as soon as it's a child it's fine

 

If someone is mistreating or being cruel to a child then yes, we have every right to question and more. This isn't that, it's a difference of opinion about what is appropriate. There is no deliberate attempt to cause the child harm or discomfort. Millions of babies across the world grow up to be happy, healthy human beings having been brought up in conditions far, far more demanding than a coach trip and a football match. No baby changing facilities? We seemed to survive OK for millions of years without such a thing existing. There are still many areas in many countries in this world where there is no such thing. This western, sanitised idea of putting a baby in a bubble is not necessarily the right way to go. We're producing a generation of children with asthma and allergies, the likes of which kids just didn't used to get. We've made many advances but we've taken some steps backwards too.

7 billion+ on this planet. The vast majority spending their formative years in conditions that make a trip to Wigan look like the most perfect environment for a child there could possibly be.

 

This in spades !!!!

 

Yes but you need also to consider the fact that we're talking about parents with a choice. They're not taking the newborn on a trip with a view to helping it develop a robust immune system, they're taking it because they want to watch a game of football. There is no benefit for the baby and to enable them to do what they want they expose their child to a degree of risk.

The privilege of parenthood also means some sacrifice.

I'm utterly bewildered that a parent would even consider it.

 

When I was 8 years old I got a motorbike for Christmas (I know I was very lucky, I'm not trying to be an arse). How much risk were my parents exposing me to?

I agree entirely that the privilege of parenthood also means sacrifice. Where we all differ on this is the degree of risk the child is being exposed to. My mum took me and my siblings on buses all the time when we were babies. I would imagine the majority of people my age and above experienced the same. No bugger had cars! People went on holiday on buses, with their babies. They took their babies to all sorts of places with hundreds and thousands of people around them and there was no such thing as baby changing facilities.

I just think society has got its priorities all wrong. People will be up in arms about this, but then drive their kids half a mile to school which puts children in far more danger than anything else in our society.

 

Chances are it'll be a hot day and so stuffy on the bus. That + motion of bus = baby puke to the power 10.

 

Reg Varney at your service.

 

I don't disagree with what you say and I agree that the differences in opinions arise based on the tolerance in level of risk. I know where I sit (which isn't on a bus with a tiny bairn surrounded by half cut football fans)

My eldest girl turns 8 next week and I'm not buying her a motor bike ( or a pony)

 

It's not something I would do. Well, I wouldn't have one of the ******* in the first place...

 

No well, with the benefit of hindsight....

 

That's not right. We've had a difference of opinion. We're suppose to fall out and call each other names.

 

You going Sunday?

 

In full effect. With the old skool lunatic fringe.

 

**** me, when did you grow up? It's depressing :-(

 

But should we make the play offs - I can't make any of the games. The perils of planning your summer assuming Tarn would be ****

 

You'll be fine, you'll be missing nowt. I hope we make it, and I'm going to Wigan to see it, but our recovery came just a couple of games too late. What they've done since has been ******* miraculous like. I'll be disappointed if it doesn't happen, but I couldn't have asked for more from anyone in the team. Or those behind the scenes to be fair.