UEFA on the ball

So we should be governed by the minority then.?

 

That's because there was thousands of fans who were \ are encouraged to turn up thinking they could get a ticket from players and officials and fans who are issued FACup final tickets with no allegiance to the two finalists and decide to sell them on the black market for a big profit , tolerated in the main by police etc . who the fek wouldn't turn up to see their beloved club in those circumstsnces?
But hey let's not blame the greedy *******s eh let's blame the fans who want to see their club in a major sporting final.
The fact there was thousands turned up is the fault of the system and should have been policed accordingly.
Your vendetta against individual fans turning up in the hope of a ticket is a little bit thin and was thankfully and justifiably dismissed by a majority jury armed with ALL the facts .

 

Except for the fact that they clearly DID contribute to the disaster of course. You are merely saying that they contributed without ill intent which doesn't mean they didn't contribute. Ergo the jury got it wrong, again

 

No they didnt
The fact you personally keep on insisting they did does not make it so.
Crowd control as I have mentioned to you over and over but you choose to ignore could have and should have prevented this and the report tells you why .

 

So extra people without tickets (as accepted in the reports) at the entrance to the ground where a build up of people led to a gate being opened and a crush occuring didn't in any way contribute? ********. Of course they contributed simply by being there, without them there would have been less people outside and less people in the swarm of people being carried into the ground crushing those at the front. The fact that the police got their policing massively wrong doesn't mean that the additional people didn't CONTRIBUTE to the disaster.

Whether those without tickets were unusual or acting unruly etc is a different issue, I doubt they were. But simply being there did contribute, simple common sense dictates that.

 

So why didn't we trust the last judgement of the previous enquiries.

 

Not at all. But should the minority be censored and ridiculed and called a Sun reading fecking Tory - for a having in my view a perfectly reasonable point of view - that liverpool fans - who were doing the actual crushing - were more than 0.00000% to blame for the death of 96 people killed by crushing.

particularly when that derision uses terms like the jury know more about it than you so stick that in your pipe - when some of the jury clealry didn't agree with the outcome.

 

Does that really need an answer?

The previous judgement has been proved to be flawed. And based on information that wasn't included. Hence the campaign for years and years

 

Because they were not presented with all the facts as they have been on this occasion.

Common knowledge really .

 

Yes.
Simply because as has been stated numerous times on here the police should not have been in that position to allow a crush with all the authority ,knowledge of the area and experiences from previous football matches.

 

Ffs .one more time
It doesn't matter if there'd been 1,000,0000,0000,000 fans there without tickets .
If the police had done their job it can't happen.

 

Of course it could, the whole reason for opening the gate was to try and ease the potential of a crush outside.

 

Somewhere along the line we've gone from one extreme to the other. It's got to the stage where no-one dare suggest that Liverpool fans had ANYTHING whatsoever to do with the disaster. The actions of the fans have been completely sanitised. Never mind all the pushing and shoving inside and outside of the ground. Hordes of people all trying to get in the ground at the same time and acting like ****s. It's ok because it's what football fans do. Shudder at the thought that they should have acted like civilised human beings. These things aren't completely black and white like many people are trying to insist. The fault isn't 100% police/authorities and 0% supporters. Neither is it 0% police/authorities and 100% supporters. EVERYONE has to take a share of the blame for the disaster. There's been enough video footage over the years to show the fans actions did contribute to it. The police/authorities then dealt with it appallingly and criminally.

 

You are again confusing blame for contribution

 

Ffs unbelievable .

 

Only one confused is you.

 

The police had the power,know how and experience to stop it before it got to that stage.

Read the report ,everything is on there.

This threads on loop .

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What should they have done like? Had Liverpool on lock down and only allowed people out of there with valid match tickets?

 

Try starting one of your how **** the JPT final was threads you might know a bit more about that.

 

Well I've never started one of those threads so that kind of backfired a little bit, why change the topic?