Why working people should vote remain:

Can't disagree with that...but the truth is there are people on all sides who agree with their position. ..if not their politics.
I don't know how old you are , but if you can remember Tony Benn who died in 2014...not a right winger by any stretch of the imagination , was a lifelong advocate of being outside the EU....as was Jeremy Corbyn. ..(note how little he is putting into the Remain campaign )...it's an issue for the whole of our people and not on left v right lines.

 

People seem to want facts to make up their mind, but the facts provided can only be estimates and projections. I think both campaigns have been awful, relying on fear. That's why I posted this, as I think it is a balanced, reasonable argument from someone who isn't blinkered to the problems of the EU from the the left's perspective and who was previously in favour of brexit

 

I agree with some of that but a lot of those protections were won by unions despite not because of the Labour Party. Unfortunately those unions can no longer protect those rights. Europe though not without its pitfalls,and I'm no fan of the 'european project ' I must admit, offers the only defence against the rapacious capitalists on the right.

 

i honestly cannot see the tories stripping away things like maternity/paternity/holiday pay should we leave,,it would be a MASSIVE vote loser and as much as i hate tories i just cannot see them risking the loss of the working class electorate that they cling onto.

i'm fully with Tony Benn on the issue of the eu,therefore i will be voting out.

 

When I've chance I'll post a few of Tony Benn's arguments that run totally counter to that view. I recently read his 1975 referendum address and Tbh it reads as fresh and relevant today as it did then.....Although I didn't believe it quite enough to make me vote out last time !! After being undecided for a long time, reading these same arguments again with 40 years of history to consider makes me think he was right.

 

Thats not right is it ?

Its mostly the richest in society that are desperate for a leave vote so turkeys font vote for christmas,

 

it int tho marlon,nearly everyone I know is voting to leave,certainly all the lads that worked at the pit..Everyday i speak to my customers and i can count on one hand those that want to remain in and these are usually young 'uns,the rest all want out and it cant happen fast enough for them and they certainly arnt rich and neither are they turkeys.
the young uns that want to remain in are more bothered about fcukin roamin charges on their phones and not having to have visa's to get to Sheffield

 

I'm firmly in the Bremain camp.

Animal rights issues alone, are enough for me vote stay.

I agree that the referendums will kick the EU's arse into sensible reform.

 

I'm self employed and am voting to stay!

 

What do you think of Owen's arguments , mate?

 

The EU wouldn't yield an inch with the 'threat' of a UK referendum - so once we've voted to remain where's the incentive ? The push to a federal European state will accelerate and we'll have to join in.

Juncker wants a European Army - wtf has that got to do with trade and workers rights ?

It's a mad dangerous project that will keep antagonising Putin. Until they get a reaction.




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i dont agree with him,particularly on the point he makes about us reforming the eu if we vote to remain,i think he lives in cloud cuckoo land

 

The hysteria over immigration is the reason for the workers voting brexit , but leaving will not stop it because of the trade agreements with the EU prettyuch same as Norway.
Everybody has seen what these Conservatives with the most right wing agenda since the days of the empire has done on a shared and then a small majority to the workers and the most vulnerable , just think what they will do without the watchful eye of Europe.
If people think that they want to bring in higher wages by keeping out immigrants then they are more naive than I give them credit for .

 

I disagree that that is the major factor for the workers voting for Brexit...if that turns out to be the case...I think though that is exactly how (not suggesting you btw) the Brussels elite would like to present it...it assumes the vast bulk of the British public have some kind of baseless hatred ..suspicion and xenophobia as far as immigration and the issues surrounding it. Some have ...undoubtedly..plus a small number of racists jumping on the bandwagon. I think the British public are far brighter than that and are looking at many other issues.... this is not the only topic...Remain may like suggest it is , I don't think they appreciate the people of this country are both more decent and intelligent than that.

 

Vote leave last week have explicitly changed their policy to focusing on immigration as the polls were saying they were losing the economic case, but polls show this is the area they are ahead in.

 

I'm surprised that miners don't have any positive opinion on the EU given the chances of the same regeneration schemes in ex- mining areas if left solely to the tories would have been slim?

 

True perhaps if the Tories were in...but had Labour been in they might have invested much more.

 

Who says they have?

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36375492

One report of many across media. Perhaps they themselves haven't explicitly said they've changed it

 

Not a chance , it's a dilapidated system whereby The Tories look after theirs and labour look after the unions.