Disloyal fans - shame on you1

You're inventing something I am supposed to have said (some of which is directly opposite to what I have posted in this thread) and then getting angry about it.

I never said Barnsley fans caused it. I said they weren't being well behaved (post #28):

Lots of people did turn away and ignore it. I'm not saying what the right course of action is if you are hit, I said it's up the person who is hit to choose how to respond but people who have certain jobs would lose that job if they hit him back.

 

Their grasp of geography, like most things, is severely lacking. I think it was something about a pub fight one of them had witnessed in Fev once.

 

Nothing against the bloke and his football post but this season he seems to have had a pop at reds fans at every opportunity.

 

Has the lad broke his arm? The one who got pushed down the seats

 

As usual Millwall choose to attack easy targets, they had nearly 10,000 tickets in the upper tier compared to our few hundred. They have attacked family stands at Donny, Millwall & Brighton recently. Why didn't they rip the netting off the lower tier? Because they didn't have the numbers advantage? Minor scuffles on Wembley way with a lesser segregation, again because of the numbers. They're pathetic.

One of their supporters has also edited that video to make it look like our fault and we got what we deserved, it's doing the rounds of social media, l"m not giving it the time of day on here.

 

For the record, I think everyone here is being really unfair on Super Tyke and JamDrop. I think you know full well the point they are trying to make. Not for one minute would I suggest Barnsley fans were to blame for the initial outbreak of violence - if the Millwall fans can't handle a bit of gesturing & goading without launching an assault, they really are following the wrong sport - but there was an option for the Barnsley fans to just move away & simply not get involved. The footage clearly & irrefutably shows plenty of Barnsley fans, mostly blokes of a certain age, standing taunting the Millwall fans & swinging punches at the ones they could reach through the stewards and what remained of the netting. That's not self-defence by any stretch of the imagination. The bloke that got sucker-punched and decked the assailant......well, I'd have probably been a bit cheesed off too, but even that wouldn't stand up as self-defence. The lad climbed up a row of seats and went after the bloke to retaliate. If both went to court, they'd both be charged equally.

So please, let's all just calm the **** down. Millwall were wholly to blame for our fans having to flee to safety, by violently overreacting to a bit of taunting & gesturing from Barnsley fans, but we didn't leave the bloody Salvation Army up there. It was clear that there were more than a few Barnsley lads getting a buzz out of the confrontation and all too eager to get a few shots in across the divide. Let's not be so bloody naive about it.

 

arm & collar bone, I read on here somewhere. And it was a push, not the heroic punch that it seems to have become on their forums.

 

The Millwall fans ripped the black netting up. What some people don't seem to realise is the start of that particular video clip isn't the start of the trouble. The blue jacketed stewards weren't even there to start with.

 

I no it was a push. If I ever meet the bloke I'd buy him a pint for sparking that soft sothern **** who cheap Shotted him.

 

The soft southern **** got splattered. Reckon that really hurts their ego's.


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That's how it looked to me as well. I know that if I had found myself so close to a bunch of Millwall fans I would have moved before the trouble started. There was plenty of room up there. Why sit so close together? I didn't understand that on the day and I still don't.

 

I've said somewhere else in the thread, that the Millwall fans would have been through the stewards quicker if there hadn't been the threat of getting punched back.

 

Yes barnsley were out numbered by minimum 10 to 1 and a fat sothern **** still ends up getting knocked out. They really do hate us northerners though I got called a northern cant countless times on Wembley way by spotty kids in stone island all behind police lines and the big gap so was very brave of them. They have got to the top of my most hated clubs on par with the blades now after the weekend.

 

Punching someone back is self defence...

 

So how would you advise dealing with bullies, when the appropriate authorities are absent or unable to contain a situation? Just allow yourself to be repeatedly intimidated and assaulted, as not to lower yourself to their level?

The Barnsley lad was blindsided and it just happened that he could take a punch better than his assailant. I don't condone violence and public disorder, in fact, I deplore it. But I'm not going to criticise a natural instinct that many people depended upon when there were Fascists knocking on the country's door.

 

I always was told if someone hits you then hit them back. Never let no one hit you. Telling the teacher is okay when your 5 sadly not in the real world.

 

Only if they're still a threat. The Millwall fan had retreated after his cowardly punch to the back of the lad's head - our fella actively went looking for him, breaking through the clutches of two stewards, to deal his retaliatory punch. Satisfying it may have been to everyone watching - just desserts, reap what you sow, etc - but no court would see it as self defence.

 

I have been looking at that forum over the last week or so and saw some of your comments. I honestly don't know why you bothered. The intelligence level on there makes blades mad look like Mensa's forum. It was really difficult to identify anyone on there you would want to spend a minute with in real life. I felt quite grubby after reading through it, like you know you've just wasted some time in your life that you'll never get back and you've spent it following the views of morons instead of doing something vaguely worthwhile.

 

In the real world some people would lose their jobs over this. That is my point. I didn't make that rule I'm just stating a fact of why I wouldn't hit them back. I'm not advising anybody, other people can do whatever they like, as can I.

 

The Young Nudger approach, where it's all about proving you're the alpha male.

Personally, I've never been in a situation where walking away from that kind of nonsense hasn't been the best option. You don't have to tell the teacher, you just have to not rise to it.