EU......In or Out

No havin spent their holiday bonus on beer and burgers then ****ed off home

 

Out.

 

Re: It's all piffle

To answer your first point, increase and significant numbers of UK students are doing their degree in the rest of Europe, for free education and in many cases much better education.

Related to this we already have PhD students panicking that their funding will stop is we vote to leave. I don't know what to tell them.

To answer your second point, I am already applying for funds to work with British Universities from outside Europe. None of these funds will be available if we vote to leave, so I will then collaborate with Oz, the USA and the rest of Europe.

Modern science is mega expensive little Britain just cannot play by itself on this one.

 

Couldn't be closer!

 

65:66 bloody hell. I have a feeling remain will win by a very small margin.

 

Remain

 

Having done a small amount of research, I don't see that it will affect me whether we remain or leave.

And nothing I've read on here convinces me on either decision.

If you vote remain, you're siding with Cameron, Osborne etc. Leave and you're in with Farage, Boris, BNP and Britain First.

Jezza C says remain and thus I'm edging towards voting appropriately. If I can be arsed.

 

Well, you're only siding with them if you base your opinion on what they say.

 

I have to be honest and looking at both sides of the fence I'm struggling to see what it will affect in my life. Selfish of me, but that's the truth. What it will do to the wider public etc, I've no idea. I'm not sure anyone knows with any real confidence.

I fcuiking hate politics.

 

Leave !!!

 

Re: It's all piffle

That's what I asked though , is how many people does it affect ...increased and significant is pretty wooly ( no offence intended ) .When I got in I asked my lad to check..he knows of no-one including all the myriad of FB friends he has.

My guess is that many of those who do travel abroad could well be the offspring of the fairly well off.... those that have to fund the courses from their own pocket...those on lower incomes don't of course.

 

Re: It's all piffle

out

 

I think you're probably right that life won't change massively for us . But one question to consider is the future of Democracy in the UK.
Many European leaders have made it quite clear that the goal is that of a federal state...British Europhiles have never mentioned it to my knowledge....effectively that means being a governed province in a United States of Europe .
That may be a price worth paying for some people some not. Personally I think the ability to vote out the top people in the country is the finest gift we have in a democracy.......I don't feel we should surrender our right to vote out the government when we want.
I'm pretty sure Jeremy Corbyn has said the same in the past...it is noticeable the only party leader not participating wholeheartedly in the campaign is Jeremy..you have to ask why ?

 

Re: It's all piffle

To be honest I have not seen UK wide data on this, but there have been number or reports on the BBC. However on the degree programme I am most involved with exactly half of this year's students have taken at least one year of their degree in Holland or Denmark. There they have been taught in lectures populated by many UK students (again I don't have numbers)

Of those I know many a mature students, and definitely working class rather than the kids of the middle classes. All this will stop next year if we vote out.

 

Re: It's all piffle

Two of my friends did a year abroad, one in France and one in Germany as part of their degree. Definitely working class families.

 

From a centre left viewpoint..

https://www.dissentmagazine.org/online_articles/left-case-brexit


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Are you comparing Britain (the 5th largest economy in the world - Financial Centre London (of the world) and net importer of EU goods (particularly German cars) with Norway? Secondly, no one has yet left the EU, certainly not net contributor the size of the UK.

So where is the fact that a negotiated trade deal means we have to accept free movement of labour? The EU commission is petrified of a Brexit vote as it will result in the wheels coming off the great federalisation plan. Hence the concerted effort to convince us that Armaggedon awaits UK should we have the temerity to strike camp and leave.

With respect, you and others on here are talking Britain down by basically saying we cannot survive as a nation outside the EU (something Cameron was quite prepared to do only 4 months ago with no indication that it would result in catastrophe ). Sorry JD but I disagree that we HAVE to accept free movement as part of any negotiated trade deal. It is NOT a fact.

Living in Europe it would be interesting for many Remainers to hear what many ordinary people in places like France, Italy etc have to say about the EU. Many, many would like out. It is NOT UK vs Europe it is UK vs EU unelected commission riding roughshod over vast sections of the population.

 

To be fair to JD and others I don't think its a case of talking the country down...I do think though that a lot of people are assuming that we must follow a certain model , but to be fair no-one has ever done a Brexit of this scale so I would say it's new ground completely.

 

Tha was my point i.e. that it is such new teritory that there are no rules as to what we have to agree to if we left and negotiated. Project Fear has taken its toll as so many Economists (if all lined up end to end they would still not reach a conclusion) have come out in favour of remain. However a high percentage work for major corporations, Government departments or bodies with vested interest e.g. funded by EU etc. A number of independent influential Economists have take the opposite view but we hear nothing of them in the BBC reporting. May and might or could precedes nearly every fact (on both sides) which means they are NOT facts. Nothing personal against JD but I am curious to know where this FACT came from as I have seen it stated by a number of our more strident 'remainers' on here.

 

Out.

As a country we only ever voted on the single market. This gradually becoming an organisation that isn't accountable and isn't elected.

If we are out and then our rights are eroded. Then at least we can vote our government out.

We have no control over Europe as a vote