And there you have it!...

As he said how they would cope? EU no longer seeing the billions over the years that the UK put in and then on top of that don't want British business. Be much less money in the pot.

 

And if you don't mind the rules vote to remain and if you aren't keen on the rules but think they are worth it in the long run vote remain.

If you don't mind not being in the club at all vote out, and if you kind of begrudgingly want to be in the club and don't mind playing by most of the rules but have no say then vote out.

Just don't vote out if you want to be part of the club and not play by the rules. Cos that isn't a realistic proposition.

I don't care how people vote. All of the above have their arguments. Just vote on the reality not the fantasy.

 

Tbf it's about the only place there's any debate beyond that you'd find in a primary school

 

So you complain about a non-footy post then repeat your anti-Farage rhetoric on the thread !! If you bothered to read the OP and thread you would realise it was about a statement (threat) reported TODAY from Wolfgang Schauble. Therefore NOT repetitive

Simple -unlike you - the EU referendum debate is not! You are absolutely 100% certain that you are right.

"The trouble with with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt" - Bertrand Russell

P.s Sunny here

 

It bores the **** out of me to be fair. Personal insults highlight the sort of person you are and the paucity of your comments. In fact I am no lover of the EU and would probably vote out in other circumstances. I am just aware as is anyone who lives in the real world that if you are a club and you leave that club you won't get the benefits. Anyone with even the smallest bit of common sense can see that.

I enjoyed the lack of self knowledge in your quote very amusing. Though to be fair it's much easier to laugh at you rather than with you.

And yes this thread is same **** different day.

Lets talk about the last time you were at Oakwell instead. Was Phil Chambers playing.

"like being savaged by a dead sheep' Dennis Healey.

 

I find the debate just as repetitive and childlike to be honest. The rabid little Englanders who don't even live in England and the if we leave we are all doomed ********. It's depressing. No one is allowed to say anything in the middle. To be lukewarm either way.

 

Some really enlightening posts and posters in the middle of it all though.

 

I agree, I thought SuperTyke was overwhelming during his tickets threads for the JPT final, but TekkyTyke has become way beyond that to the point where you could be forgiven for thinking he's appears aggressive. One of his responses to me in yet another of his many threads ended with 'Got it' I replied but that will be the last time I respond to him directly. I always wonder with that type of post if they would actually say it to you face to face. Probably not.
For the last time TekkyTyke, we know you are in the Brexit camp.

 

"rabid little Englanders" And you have the audacity to complain about childlike debate. You really are blinkered fool. For the record. I am voting the way I am but not with any certainty that it is the right way. NOBODY- I REPEAT-NOBODY knows what the future holds. Anyone who says they do is a liar.

 

Who says I was talking about you chuckles or maybe you recognise yourself in the description...

Joe Joyce doesn't play for us anymore sorry to break the bad news.

 

Yes I'd say good luck to any other country who got out of this failed political union. We have the fifth biggest economy in the world and there is no way that our trade will be put in jeopardy by a Brexit. I don't know what the agreement will be but I am not in the least bit convinced by the armageddon argument put forward by the remain camp.

 

Aye he is very aggressive I'm not sure he realises it though. Saw some of his responses to JamDrop in another thread both aggressive and borderline misogynistic. I'm not sure he has the self knowledge though to know how he comes across

And aye you have to wonder how many times a person can say the same thing in different threads. More boring than a Mark Robins team.

 

Great post mate. Well put. They should just put that on a poster and stop all politicians from talking about it.

 

Where in my email does it say I think you are talking about me. Referring to anyone as 'Little Englanders' is using a derogatory phrase and in your won words creates a 'chldlike debate' Self awareness cuts both ways.

I know I can be, and often am, an annoying sarcastic tw*t! who goes on a bit (alright a lot!!) I am genuinely sorry if you and Tarntyke find my posts on the subject aggressive or hostile, it is really not my intention although I am quite passionate about some subjects.

I do ultimately overreact to some posts when I perceive I or people with corresponding views are being targetted with sarcasm or name calling.
Simply being anti immigration does not mean someobne is a racist, xenophobic or a 'Little Englander -and this is not aimed at you - as some posters repeat ad infinitum. Also suppositions stated as facts, and some statements made by people like Farage , may be debatable but just becauwe they dont agree with them does not mean they are automatically lies.

Again I apologise if I have become over agressive and especially resorting to insults but I have been on the end of one or two -and in some cases totally unjustified personal insult on here by one or two extreme posters.

I shall go into the naughty corner now and will try to be better behaved in future.

 

Aye. The same Germany that wanted to take over Europe 100 years ago.

Granted under a different guise. But they are the biggest player of the EU and just want to take over like before. But without wars.

**** em

 

I think it's relevant in some degree to what the polls suggest is a young in...old out split.
The young obviously have known nothing else and it requires an extra leap of faith to discard something that's been there your whole life...particularly when there is no model to follow of a state leaving or lessons as to the subsequent consequences .
The old it seems heard the original arguments and voted in...and now want out . The reason being , at least for me is as you point out we were sold it as purely a trading arrangement , a Common Market...no mention of single currencies , federalism , open borders , no mention of imposing legislation or over riding national sovereignties...and in particular a European Army....this to me is the most worrying development. An Army is there for one reason only , to carry out the will of the state . If or when we get to a position like Greece recently when people took to the streets en masse to protest against social injustice...would , if the Greek Police had lost control , the European State use that same army to impose the will of the Greek Govt. by force of arms? Would the European State use it's force of arms to threaten Putin for instance over Ukraine...or threaten to impose the EU will on a member state wanting to leave?

 

This isn't a very difficult concept to grasp. The EU are not going to be right keen to do business on the same terms if we're not in the EU.

The whole point of having a trading block and trying to harmonise the rules and regulations of that trading block is so that countries trade on equal terms and there isn't a race to the bottom in terms of labour rights, health and safety and various other mechanisms for cutting costs.

I'm amazed that people don't seem to grasp that taking an individualist route in a global economic system is in effect asking us to design our economy in such a way we compete on cost for trade, when that would ultimately lead to a number of consequences for cost cutting those same people wouldn't be keen on. In fact I'm more than amazed, I'm baffled.

Key test, ask yourself, do you really think most (not all) people who are the figureheads of the campaig for Leave are doing so because of a sense of sovereignty or because it will increase the amount of money on their own pockets. I know what I think.

 

No worries it's hard not to respond in kind. My personal views aren't far from Dennis Skinner's and in different times I'd probably vote another way but I'm aware enough of the Westminster bubble to know the real aim of the extreme right who will take charge of the Conservative party is to remove employment protection. The Farage view may be his opinion but it's clear enough that if you leave you won't enjoy the same rights. Anyone who is not trying to mislead people would acknowledge that whichever way they were voting so I can only come to the conclusion that for whatever reason they are lying.

 

Pros and cons on both sides to be fair. At the end of the day the people of this country only ever voted for the single/common market. Nothing else. Nobody asked for all the other laws to be made and forced upon us from Brussels.

I get the concern with workers rights and all the other concerns raised. But if anyone meddled with them if we left we as a country can vote them out. We can't touch Europe. It's bad enough trusting a government we can vote out. Never mind EU and ones we can't vote and decide with.

It's also more than imigration. It's about a set of folk that can't even sign off accounts. Non elected people making decisions because they can.

Sturgeon keeps repeating as does everyone in remain. That we cut off the supply of 500 million people. And she even quoted we would then be stuck with 65 million. Well the last time I looked doesn't this earth have 7 billion people to trade with.

It's not all about Europe. It's about our country and us having a say.

I sympathise with the likes of owen Jones and Eddie izzard who says we should make voices heard and protest etc. Yeah o can see it now. It will just turn into civil unrest

 

You can't accept a common market without accepting common rules - and when the rules impact both sides you don't get to make them unilaterally through your own Parliament. Otherwise people just undercut each other. You cannot have one without the other - you just can't.

In effect then what you're saying is that you don't want a common trade area. Which is fine, but is economically harmful. Trade is good, less trade is bad.

I struggle with the 'we could just vote them out' argument. We'll have effectively created a system where it's economically advantageous for us to erode regulations but then we'll be voting to say we're not happy with that. Why just not create that system to start with.