Court Date today for my mate who got arrested at Wembley V Millwall

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  1. Barnsley Loyal

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    #1 Barnsley Loyal, Jun 17, 2016
    Will keep you all updated of the outcome
     
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    #2 Micky Finn, Jun 17, 2016
    Was that inside or outside stadium, mate? What is he supposed to have done?
     
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    #3 MarioKempes, Jun 17, 2016
    Best of luck to your mate; let's hope justice prevails.
     
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    #4 kektyke, Jun 17, 2016
    Inside the pudding ,I work for the same company as him

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    #5 Orsen Kaht, Jun 17, 2016
    How will he be pleading, out of interest?
     
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    #6 Marc, Jun 17, 2016
    is he actually guilty of whatever charges, or has he been wrongly arrested?
     
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    #7 Barnsley Loyal, Jun 17, 2016
    Pleaded guilty to public order , inside stadium . He was guilty but if that's not self defence when supporters come into the home end I'm
    Not sure what is .


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    #8 Orsen Kaht, Jun 17, 2016
    The prosecution would have to prove that he wasn't entitled to use or threaten violence in his defence if he raises self defence. If he has pleaded guilty he presumably accepts that he wan't entitled to do so, or that what he did was more than reasonably necessary to defend himself.

    Which section of the Public Order Act is he charged under?
     
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    #9 arabian_ian, Jun 17, 2016
    Hmm surely had the scum not left their seating and invaded our end then nothing would have happened
    Good case for self defence. Hopefully let off with a warning. Out of interest is the scumbag he was fighting also up on a charge.
     
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    #10 BrunNer, Jun 17, 2016
    I don't usually condone violence but if he's the Barnsley fan that knocked the fat, cowardly Millwall fan down two rows of seats with a right hook on the video then we should all club together and pay his costs.
     
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    #11 kektyke, Jun 17, 2016
    Wasn't him but agree

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    #12 icer, Jun 17, 2016
    How many of the Millwall fans are in court today? I am presuming the dates will be similar. I also guess our Football League will be questioning the Millwall actions now given the similarities with the Russian incidents that received actions from the authorities.
     
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    #13 Barnsley Loyal, Jun 17, 2016
    12 Millwall fans up this morning

    Changed his court time to the afternoon (13:30) to avoid any problems
     
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    #14 icer, Jun 17, 2016
    I guess by outcome you meant what sentence / fine? Given he has pleaded guilty and football crimes are treated with little compassion he will be hoping for a reduced 'sentence'. I'm not an expert but I guess he will be happy with a warning and a fine. Do you think BFC will ban him?

    I think its an interesting test case

    I guess the Millwall fans are the ones outside the ground. Have any arrests even been made for Millwall inside?
     
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    #15 Orsen Kaht, Jun 17, 2016
    s2 (Riot) would be send to Crown Court.
    s3 (Affray) could be community penalty up to custody, depending on circumstances.
    s4 (Threatening Behaviour) could be community penalty up to custody, depending on circumstances.
    s5(Causing Harrassment) fine only.

    Will all depend on the circumstances, and what mitigation is taken into account.
     
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    #16 pontyender, Jun 17, 2016
    Or he just wanted it over quickly and was persuaded pleading guilty would be he cheapest thing to do with the lightest sentence. I fought a threatening behaviour charge at Walsall in 1988. It cost me a fortune and I still lost. All I did was say the two lads who had been arrested at the side of me had done nothing wrong. They then took me as well.
     
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    #17 Barnsley Loyal, Jun 17, 2016
    He was advised to plead guilty with the hope of a fine . Now been told by his solicitor he can expect a life ban if found guilty


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    #18 MarioKempes, Jun 17, 2016
    Under the circumstances I would have told my solicitor to get lost if they told me to plead guilty. I'd have wanted the exact circumstances brought up. By the sounds of what you're saying it seems the advice given was poor. I'm no legal expert but I'm guessing he can't appeal the actual guilty plea (based on bad advice) but surely he can appeal the severity of the sentence if he does get a life ban.
     
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    #19 SuperTyke, Jun 17, 2016
    Inside the stadium he will surely be on CCTV. If he's pleading guilty then he knows he's guilty otherwise you'd fight it with camera evidence showing you did nothing wrong
     
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    #20 Rosco, Jun 17, 2016
    Probably best to leave it to the experts then.
     
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