BREXIT The Movie

Apart from all the blatantly untrue statistics it uses. Well, the pillow ones, at least, although if they're typical of the research that went into it, I'd be very wary of believing any of it.

 

Watch that John Oliver clip from the thread earlier today if you want to see how legitimate any of their facts/ arguments are

 

Here are a few more of those Brexit 'facts' placed under the spotlight of truth.

http://infacts.org/boris-biggest-blunders/

 

Fine, that's your right, obviously, but a little worrying you might have based your decision on the lies & misleading 'facts' peddled in videos like that.

 

So you didn't consider any information presented by either side? What did you do, flip a coin?

 

No, I don't believe them because, as proven in the John Oliver video - with documentary evidence, I should add - they are factually incorrect and completely misleading. Not a case of opinion, or differing interpretation, they are just wrong - that's not up for debate. But as I say, everyone is entitled to an opinion and their own reasons for voting one way or t'other. I just suggested that basing a vote on a proven set of lies was a worrying phenomenon. But you didn't, so that's all good.

 

What evidence did you base that on? Which set of statistics?? Boris Johnson says we get bossed around by Europe, but for the record, while it’s true that we’ve been outvoted 56 times since 1999, we've actually been on the winning side 2,466 times.

 

Don't the kids wanna be in?

 

Evidence? Statistics? What are these things you speak of. I had a conversation with my TA last night on Facebook where she was adament that each immigrant is given £2500 upon arriving in the UK in order to 'buy a car to help them get a job'. When I asked her if she honestly believed that she said yes because her friend's brother works in a car dealership and he told her. When I pointed out that we have a few TAs from Poland, Canada and Spain (some of which are close friends of hers) and I'd have thought that they would have mentioned it she said it was only for people who haven't got a job (and added that they also get £26 a day given in Tesco vouchers). I asked her why they would have got a job if they could access this and, again, I'd never heard them mention it so then she said that it was only for Pakistani and Indian immigrants. She said it's 'f-in ridiculous' and she is voting leave because of it. I reminded her that those places aren't in Europe and she hasn't replied since.

 

JD I have based my view, not on populist propaganda on both sides but on items like the following which exposes the lies (on both sides). This URL is related to the trade agreements. In fairness the CBI takes a different view but then they have a vested interest. This comes from a respected academic and is interesting and as far as I am aware not politically baised.

Patrick Minford CBE (b. 1943) is a British macroeconomist who is Professor of Applied Economics at Cardiff Business School, Cardiff University, a position he has held since 1997. He was Edward Gonner Professor of Applied Economics at the University of Liverpool from 1976 to 1997.

http://patrickminford.net/wp/E2016_1.pdf

 

Can't wait for the referendum and everyone's FACTS™ to do one after Thursday.

 

I agree, many of the ridiculous claims made by Brexit campaigners are just that. Ridiculous.

However, if you genuinely believe that the Remain side have not done exactly the same thing regarding false claims and mistruths then you are guilty of confirmation bias and by saying that someone is voting on a set of lies you must be certain that you are not doing the same.

If you are basing your opinion on people like John Oliver you need to do some serious research. Like anyone who is basing their 'leave' decision on Brexit the Movie should do the same. It may confirm your current position at least.

 

Hi Tekky, my reply was for Micky Finn, just pointing out that some people are no so bothered about facts and evidence. Thanks for the pdf but I'm not sure why you have replied specifically to me?

 

Fair sentiment, but most of the 'leave' campaign's stats can be unequivocally debunked by independently verified data and research. Not so the remain camp; just Gove, Farage et al telling us we've 'heard enough' from the experts. In other words, fingers-in-ears 'not listening.....not listening.....la-la-la-la.....'.

 

I don't listen to Farage Gove, Cameron, Osborne ( even I have more Economic qualifications that he has) etc they are the instigators of lies etc.

I look at academic (hopefully impartial) research ,I avoid experts with agendas, - CBI banks, CEOs of multinationals (usually foreign owned) etc. I also looked at different aspects. Too many have focussed on one issue only. sovereignty, immigration, economy civil liberties and worst of all, personalities.

Experts?? I shudder when people quote them. Simply looking at Economics which is the most in-exact science of them all. These 'experts' could not foresee the 2008 crash and fail to prevent boom and bust cycles and genuinely believe that constant growth rather than sustainability is achievable even to the point where they endorse a single currency with single fixed interest rate in diverse economies like Germany, Greece and Italy.

 

Sorry I just picked up on your bit about facts and evidence being secondary to some people and in a senior moment ignored the fact I should have been responding to MF , and to the extent of prefixing my reply with JD. Sorry about that. I believe we are on opposite sides of the divide re the vote on Thursday so I won't say Good luck ;-)

PS how are you liking the new job. I bet it is far less stress than what you did plus the fact I remember a few months ago you posted that it was a role you really fancied but unsure that it was realistic the way public services were going. I am really pleased that things are working out for you. My son-in law is just finishing his NQT year in Primary and STILL loves it although he is realising the down sides of planning, school policy constantly changing etc etc, but the enthusiasm of youth is carrying him through at the moment. Even happily did his end of year reports for the first time (all 30 requiring individual 'unique' comments) I suppose a Thesaurus is useful when it comes to 20 ways to describe a child as 'challenging'