OK so now the decision is made... And along the lines of the post I made yesterday...

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Unfortunately (or fortunately) science is what now drives the world economy and advancements in health. We live in a high tech-world. We could try to cling to old dirty industries, but these are associated with low salaries and poor working conditions. If UK plc wants to thrive it has to be at the cutting edge of science. And that is going to be more difficult now from outside the big collaborations.

 

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I take it you managed to educate them properly then...London is not the UK despite what many people who live there think...virtually every town in England and Wales did not agree with London....just accept it .

 

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But London is the powerhouse of our economy

Plus - Cambridge, Oxford, Leeds, York, Liverpool, Reading, Newcastle, Cardiff, Bangor........ all voted remain

 

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Manchester, Leicester... lots of uni cities there. The uni part of Sunderland was all remain too. Not sure what my point is, just pointing out the correlation.

 

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Yes the correlation is with the younger voter. I do feel we old folks owe them an apology.
Mostly we have ****** up the planet. They will suffer from climate change, which will be more damaging to the world economy than even leaving Europe. We have polluted the rivers, the seas, the air. We have driven many species to extinction, cut down the rain-forests, taken and most of the fish from the oceans. We have ruined our university system and now charge them ridiculous amounts to study, so they can work longer than we had to and never be able to afford a house.
We are all guilty of this and the younger generations will rightly not forgive us for this.

 

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And Gwynedd. **** knows what Wales is thinking it's going to lose 500m in funding that it would never get from the UK Government.

 

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And you still voted for it?

 

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But staying in could be an even bigger one. The current form of the EU is unsustainable but the heirarchy refuse to see it will not change.

 

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You disgusting excuse for a human being.

The people who voted out are exactly the sort of people who would do deals with Hitler and join Mosleys Blackshirts.

It was the decent upstanding sensible people of this country who stood up to Fascism and Hitler, not the ones who supported right wing views.

 

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You're wasting your time, Rosco - he's said his piece and pulled up the drawbridge.

 

Re: OK so now the decision is made... And along the lines of the post I made yesterda

So they were pulling out before the referendum ?

 

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Don't think all of this has happened in the last 8 hours though.

 

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What absolute b*****s

 

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Yep, they were predicting an out vote and said as much and they were correct.

Clever people - who would have guessed that?

For info, such grant applications can take several months to pull together as they involve many different countries. It turns out they would have been wasting their time including us in the bid. So they did not.

 

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Indeed not, the last 8 hours is a minor sin in comparison

 

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I read your post with interest....might i offer up that the capital has always been isolated from the reality of fact and that this indeed is what as helped the exit vote to gain pace. The social divide is so evident in your thinking, the so called tiny player is where we are because the elite have over the years allowed our power, to be diluted year have to year to that point hence the majority have said enough is enough.
Yes you may welll shortly be running a university outside of Europe, but will that stop you from delivering a top rate service to the next generation or is it a case of wondering and worring about budgets and finance that is driving your logic.
The rest of the world , i take you mean the banks big business are the ones who think we are stupid....guess these very same people are the same ones who are out of touch with the reality of peoples thinking ...the very same people who created the problems we have been faced with the very same capitalist ideas and ideals that the majority have just voted against.
The common man wants trade , freedom of movement intergration but not at the cost of joining a faceless federal state that the European union was fast turning into and thus giving up our freedom
Its now the time for a cross party treaty to shape our future. Will it happen ....i dont think so
Lets not kid ourselves, the road ahead is full of pitfalls, We need to pull together, we know the Tory party will use if allowed the said situation to their advantage and turn the screw on the working classes, thats why the Labour party needs to quickly rally the troops to present a strong alternative to the policys that they will now try to put in place.
To be honest as much as i like JC and his leadership of the labour party , why he wanted to dilute further our socialist values i will never understand, in my opinion he scored an own goal there.

 

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I've had a slight re-evaluation of JC this morning...I've been very critical that he has eschewed a lifetime position of opposition to the EU to support Remain , I was aware of the pressure being put on him not only by the Blairites in the PLP...but also Unite et al . It seems to have culminated this morning in this disgraceful no-confidence motion .
The results from Labour's heartlands suggest that had he campaigned with his conscience he may well have renewed a few bonds that have obviously slipped . With hindsight he has been unlucky in winning the Leadership at a time when such a divisive issue has arisen...had he been free to campaign for out , his position might have been a lot more secure , and certainly more credible and in touch with the grass roots for the 2020 General Election , had he won a leadership contest now.

 

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A very thoughtful post and worthy of contemplation.
I think you are right that there is a London centric view in the British establishment, that is really not healthy.
For example to mention football (if that’s allowed on here). The day after both the Hull and Barnsley play off finals there was no mention of the games on BBC establishment radio. But the Wimbledon game did get coverage. Do we not pay the same licence fees as those in London?
The basis of the London money markets which generates much of our income are morally suspect and probably overly risky for my comfort. As a fear we might see in the next few months.
London sucks in lots of cash from the rest of the UK to support culture and its infrastructure. But its our capital city and its there if you want to go feast at the table.
It is a great city; its people for the most part get along in a great melting pot of humanity that generates new ideas by mixing and accepting the new with the old with local with the alien. It has more immigrants than most places, and yet they are welcome and contribute, in ways that don’t seem to happen elsewhere.
So like much of this debate, its complex, there are no simple solutions.
But my point about London today has been its not healthy for a nation to be so out of line with its capital. If the UK is to thrive, we ALL have to start to heal the wounds. And accepting that there are wounds that are hurting is where it starts.

 

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I agree its not healthy for any part of the nation to be out of touch with its capital, but unfortunately, when it comes down to the rest of us the powers to be have and are guilty of not distributing the wealth of the nation fairly, be that business or the arts. The ones in power fail to recognise the true value of its own people, rather treating them with contempt and disrespect, they under value our vast experience and knowledge and to some extent our presence
They feed us half truths and create the fear factor in the majority, all fuelled by a Tory press which backs the governments notion, profits over people thus creating a social divide.
The only time they recognise our presence is when they want to go to war, even then, when our service men return they avoid their duty of care.
Unfortunately nothing is going to change our society due to most folk fighting to survive the daily task of survival its self and not having the fight in them to think outside the box and take them to task
We are like lambs to the slaughter the play things of those who seek a new world order
This leave vote is people raising their voice, unfortunately shouting wont ever be enough, only action speaks louder than words and although we appear to have a now divided nation its up to the people to unite and drive through the reforms we as a collective group want, we have enough ability in this country to shape our futures, only this future must not be allowed for political gain by any party nor by any outside force who have only their own political agendas and want to manipulate the masses....i live in hope, a new dawn beckons

 

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The nation is not out of line with the capital...rather the other way round.