Should every vote be equal?

Discussion in 'Bulletin Board ARCHIVE' started by SuperTyke, Jun 24, 2016.

  1. Ext

    Extremely Northern Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2011
    Messages:
    11,753
    Likes Received:
    1,949
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Professional Northerner.
    Location:
    Preparing for the 4th division
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Couldn't agree more on that.
     
  2. arabian_ian

    arabian_ian Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2013
    Messages:
    14,367
    Likes Received:
    16,352
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Broughty Ferry
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Yes every vote must be equal.

    IMO proportional representation must be brought in so giving every vote equal value.
     
  3. Red

    Red Rain Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2005
    Messages:
    4,811
    Likes Received:
    2,864
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Wombwell
    Home Page:
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    It is estimated that it will take 2 years to negotiate the terms of exit from the EU. At the end of that period, we have a much better idea of what the effects will be of our exit. We will know what trade deals we have managed to negotiate with other nations s well as with the EU. We will have a better idea of how the multi-national manufacturers who are currently located within the UK will go about dealing with the consequences of exit including possible trade barriers. We will know which of the banks will move their European head offices to Frankfurt, so they are not excluded from trade within the EU. These are just examples and I am sure that there are other unforeseen consequences that will arise in the next 24 months that will cause us all, both REMAINers and LEAVErs to reconsider our positions. Is it your position that we should not have the option to reconsider our votes when we know the full facts.
     
  4. Jimmy viz

    Jimmy viz Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2012
    Messages:
    29,946
    Likes Received:
    19,452
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Ballet Dancer
    Location:
    Hiding under the bed
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Without Proportional Representation every vote is not equal.
     
  5. North Yorks Red

    North Yorks Red Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2005
    Messages:
    16,777
    Likes Received:
    14,862
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Harrogate
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    The problem with that is, the only people who think its a good idea are the losers, then when they are in the majority they lose interest!
     
  6. #FWF

    #FWF Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2011
    Messages:
    1,928
    Likes Received:
    1,393
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley Dark
    Or an academic who has spent years reading and researching the political and economic effects of EU membership vis-à-vis a Millwall supporter who has Eng-er-land tattooed on his neck.

    Not saying there aren't cogent arguments on either side of the debate but I do suspect the majority of the informed opinion lies on the 'Remain' side and the majority of the 'Leave' opinion lies in the more parochial enclaves of Britain.
     
  7. Ses

    Sestren Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2011
    Messages:
    4,892
    Likes Received:
    4,878
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Even taking into account everything else Blair did, not changing the voting system in 1997 when he had the political capital to do so is, in my eyes, one of his biggest betrayals.
     
  8. sadbrewer

    sadbrewer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2006
    Messages:
    10,221
    Likes Received:
    5,234
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    I think you're suggesting a split between high thinking intelligentsia and the ordinary working man and woman...it's a dangerous assertion to suggest intelligence or the ability to reason has anything to do with birthright or which estate you grew up on.
     
  9. Marlon

    Marlon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2011
    Messages:
    23,677
    Likes Received:
    14,562
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    HERE.
    Style:
    Barnsley Dark
    It's not very good when someone not partaking in the consequences have a vote though is it ?
     
  10. Dun

    Duntpasstome Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2014
    Messages:
    3,992
    Likes Received:
    4,312
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    No every vote should not be equal if you don't understand the reasons and consequences of what you are voting for then how can that vote be worthy. As the young adult in tarn said vote art so wi can kick all Pakis art o cunertry. And he's got the right to vote. Brilliant so glad he has got the right to input in to mine and my families future. Also can't wait for our country to be run by ukip and the bnp. Brilliant again and before anyone comments from the leave side the above is true and if you condone or accept that is valid vote please don't respond as I'm not interested.
     
  11. sadbrewer

    sadbrewer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2006
    Messages:
    10,221
    Likes Received:
    5,234
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Who then is to determine whether you can understand the reasons and consequences ?
     
  12. Con

    Conan Troutman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2011
    Messages:
    17,469
    Likes Received:
    2,694
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Professional Football Fan
    Location:
    Tarn
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    We should have only allowed people who are economically active to vote.
     
  13. Rosco

    Rosco Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2005
    Messages:
    6,415
    Likes Received:
    2,919
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Optimist
    Location:
    Born in Birdwell, living in Sin (well...Cheshire).
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    As much as I wanted us to Remain, I can't agree to this, a vote is a vote and every one should carry the same weight.

    However, if you are coming to the end of your years, perhaps, before casting your vote you could reflect and what it means to you and what it might mean for the generations to come.
     
  14. Jam

    Jamo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2014
    Messages:
    6,852
    Likes Received:
    7,246
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    I don't know about someone aged 99 with Alzheimers but aside from the general morons who voted leave "because of the immigrants" or "to take our country back" it's the elder generation, the baby boomers, who won't have to live for as long as most of us with what they've voted for, who have really pissed me off. Utterly, utterly selfish.

    Born after the war, enjoyed the benefits of the fastest rise in living standards pretty much ever, free education, affordable housing, jobs aplenty - partly due to the EU.

    Lived through a time of European peace, lived well beyond their means, saddled future generations with enormous debt, ruined the housing market forever.

    Voted for austerity, as long as it doesn't touch their pension. Voted for tuition fees, because they'd already got theirs. Voted to leave the EU.

    They have swanned along, lived the life of riley, then pulled up the ladder to stop their kids and grandkids from climbing up. A complete set of *******s.
     
  15. Gimson&theBarnsleys

    Gimson&theBarnsleys Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2005
    Messages:
    7,679
    Likes Received:
    6,291
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Don't beat yourself up about this. If younger people had voted in the same numbers as old people the result could likely have been quite different.

    I can see it now "you old uns have ****** my future up by voting to leave" - "did you go and vote yourself?" - "err no, but because you did it's ****** my future up". :rolleyes:
     
  16. Ome

    Omen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2005
    Messages:
    7,600
    Likes Received:
    1,113
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    spoke to quite a few today that didnt bother voting and probably now regret it.
     
  17. Dun

    Duntpasstome Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2014
    Messages:
    3,992
    Likes Received:
    4,312
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    You can't determine who understands but maybe somethings shouldn't be put out for a vote, the only other time some of the leave voters have voted for any thing was for the x factor final.
     
  18. sadbrewer

    sadbrewer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2006
    Messages:
    10,221
    Likes Received:
    5,234
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    That is the most genuinely offensive and bigoted post I have read on here...a lot of people have grafted their b*****ks off , outside this idyllic vision you have in your head...and in many cases risked their lives to provide the best future for people like you... in conditions you will never understand without even asking for a thankyou....you need to look at yourself.
     
  19. sadbrewer

    sadbrewer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2006
    Messages:
    10,221
    Likes Received:
    5,234
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    So you're suggesting some people shouldn't be allowed to vote...but you can't determine who understands...so perhaps the people shouldn't be trusted to vote...and Leave voters vote in X Factor..muddled thinking...whatever you do don't take up politics...stick to facebook.
     
  20. SuperTyke

    SuperTyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2005
    Messages:
    55,981
    Likes Received:
    30,158
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    As Alex broker said. People voted to keep Wagner in week after week. And voted for a dog to win Britain's got talent. These same people are voting on the most important decision in this countries history
     

Share This Page