Television NEWS right now is funnier than any comedy program

U.K. The Labour Party and EU in total meltdown
That's not to mention we now have a dud PM
Obama to John Kerry - 'get back over there and try and sort those crazy b@stards out AGAIN !!!'

 

Even funnier is the look on boris johnsons face when he realises exactly how much cameron has screwed him over by not triggering clause 50. The next leader of the tories will either take us out of the eu (and upset 16million+) voters or go back on the referendum and upset 17million+ voters. Either way their career is over...

 

Who was it who said we are not a nation of quitters?

 

I think it was Napoleon and the verb was positive and it was shopkeepers.

 

Not to mention all the whining young people complaining about how old people have destroyed their futures when most of them didn't even bother voting.

 

People keep saying this but there is no data of which specific people voted and who didn't.

 

Wish I'd moaned at the previous referendum - but ah well, we are now dealing with the dot com generation.

 

My 16 year old is still moaning and she wasn't allowed a vote.

 

Funnier than-
Fawlty Towers?
Porridge?
Father Ted?
Phoenix Nights?
Only Fools and Horses?

 

There's nothing funnier than a constitutional crisis and people complaining about austerity and recession effectively voting for more austerity and recession!

 

Why though?

Why does she love the EU so much?

Is pro-EU brainwashing part of the school curriculum these days?

 

Lots of reasons.

There is a possibility that the school curriculum has improved (and she is an educational high-achiever) and she has been drawing very distinct parallels between 1930s Germany and Europe now with the rise of extreme-right wing groups across Europe after a period of financial instability.

The potential restrictions to her life choices regarding free movement and trade throughout Europe.

The fact that she can read and think for herself and see that most of the arguments put forward by the Leave campaign were at best inaccurate and at worst straight out lies.

The fact she doesn't want to be involved with the racist element and with the increased ex-pat population in the UK she has more access to people of non-white English birth (in fact, last week she was saved from the unwanted attention of two white middle-aged men in Rotherham by a black schoolmate). For comparison, I didn't meet a single non-white English-born person of my age group from moving to Barnsley at 9 and starting 6th form at 16.

Even with her basic school-level economics she can see that we are heading for several years of financial uncertainty at best and potential recession leaving her with large university debts, increasing living costs and little prospect of ever repaying them.

Not being able to have a say in the most important vote in her lifetime (so far), even though she could marry, have kids, or fight and die for her country if she so wished.

Or, it could just be down to it being all she has ever known and there is some element of fear of the unknown.

Whatever the reasons - and it is probably a lot more than those listed above - she is very pro-EU like a lot of her generation - according to some figures, 75% of the 18-24 year olds polled voted Remain, and I suspect that would increase even further in the 16-18s age group (2 million or so of them).

 

What's that got to do with the EU though?

We've got a higher black and Asian population than anyone else in Europe, except maybe France.

 

Poll data, so a margin of error applies, but so are the stats showing the In/Out vote by age group.

36% turnout for the 18-24 age group, compared to 83% for 65+.

https://twitter.com/SkyData/status/746700869656256512

 

I never trust polls, you just can't generalise for them. Whenever there is data for something that makes a judgement about me without ever asking me fills me with suspicion. Not one person I know was asked for that data so how on earth can they know what we think?

Here is the percentage of each category from the total number of people they asked:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/FrederiekeH">@FrederiekeH</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Cancun771">@Cancun771</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/SkyData">@SkyData</a> 18-24: 5%<br>25-34: 12.8%<br>35-44: 16.9%<br>45-55: 21.6%<br>55-64: 21.5%<br>65+: 24.1%</p>&mdash; Bow (@RomeTimed) <a href="https://twitter.com/RomeTimed/status/746980619419168768">26 June 2016</a></blockquote>
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So they have made that judgment based on asking hardly any young people at all (639 to be exact) and then extrapolated that against all young people (millions).

 

I reckon she deserves multiple votes to be fair. To be honest I'd have let her make the decision unilaterally.

 

But in fairness, she'll only have been wiping her own backside for about 10 years. She not know the suffering we went through with Izal.

 

Norwegian EEA option will be the end result - access to single market - with movement despite what is being grand standed. They are all starting to make the right noises now - the option that was put forward by liberal leavers. Trouble is in the short term 'Leave' have backed themselves into a corner over immigration/money. Once 'Remain' have got their ire out of their system and shouted at 'Leave' for a bit things will move forward.

This should be in that other section but blah blah

 

That's what polls do, extrapolate a sample of data to a wider population. The more you interview, the more accurate the prediction.

Most polls you see in the newspaper are probably based on interviews with no more than 3,000 people, sometimes a few hundred, but will still be statistically significant (and will usually state their expected margin of error).

The exit poll in the 2015 General Election, which shocked everyone but turned out to be pretty damn accurate (in fact it underestimated the Tory vote) was based on a sample of 22,000 people vs >30m people who actually voted.

The Ashcroft poll on Referendum day used a sample of just over 12,000 people, so I doubt it would produce an error greater than +/- 3% in any of the above categories (and I know at least one person who was interviewed on leaving the polling station). Even allowing for that, or whatever margin of error you'd choose to apply, the age category difference in turnout is still pretty conclusive.

Going back to your original query though, I'm slightly puzzled that you pointed out the lack of available data if you weren't going to place any reliance on the data that's subsequently made available to you, because you don't trust it. Out of intrigue, what type of information were you expecting to see that would be trustworthy?

 

The actual result. I don't trust polls