The blame games real on here

Goodness. How many people can we blame and call ****/ past it / Rubbish/ Not good enough.

It was only 12/18 month we hear the same about the Rugby Union team and limited overs Cricket team.

Eoin Morgan must go, Chris Robshaw's awful.
They weren't. Things calmed and both have played their parts in good times since. One didn't carry on the captaincy but one did.

 

Well the captain of the football, needs to pack in now.

 

That's a reasonable point. Though the rugby team have gone through a series of peaks and troughs as is only natural in sport. World Champions in 2003, maybe world champions next time round.
One day cricket...couldn't give a jot for especially 20/20. There is a separate skill set but it's far too much of a lottery to be taken seriously.
The football team however, it's been one long trough for a very, very long time. I actually thought we might do ok in this tournament and clung to that belief until last night. We were awful. These guys are earning 100's of thousands of pounds a week and we can't even find one of them to take a decent set piece. I think we've had 40 years of evidence, maybe 1990 excepted, that the current crop is unlikely to come good.

 

Brilliant. If I had a football blame bingo sheet Earnings and how much they cared would be certainly on it. Rubbish lines that mean nothing. The PLAYERS play for England for free. The only cost to the FA for the players will be insurance. It all goes to a Charity.

 

Don't care who else goes but Rooney, Smalling, Wilshire, Sterling and Kane have proven themselves not good enough. Inept.

Most embarrassing England team for generations.

 

You failed to mention the one single aspect that changed.

THEY BOTH APPOINTED AN AUSTRALIAN COACH.

G'day.

 

I'd love a manager who has the balls to choose on-form players, i.e Drinkwater, Noble, Antonio, Scott Dann etc. Instead of your usual big name players. It's clear it doesn't work!

 

They are all good enough.

I don't like to go on the blame game but there are problems, of course.

Now for me the problems are the plans. Things just change over night. He picked a squad based on a formation that we hadn't really played much before and didn't in the Tournament.

If we are to play that formation, Walcott, would after be in there. Andy Carroll was needed for me but it seems with some you need to play 50 games a season with some on here.

I think theres a fear factor about the England team and the players know this. It was something the other teams have had.

 

I wasn't saying that they don't deserve the money in this instance. Though they don't but that's another point. What I'm saying is that someone of that perceived quality should have the talent to deliver a decent free kick. We have a player at Barnsley capable of far better ball delivery than Harry Kane demonstrated. So how come England, with players of supposedly vastly superior talent can't find one?

 

And another thing. I wish we could pour Conor Horihane's steely determination to win into every England player. That might be a start. I'm not saying they don't want to win. But I wonder if they really want it enough.

 

8 (9 including Rooney) midfielders in the squad and not one is capable of taking corners? So we have our most inform striker, before the tournament started, taking them. That's a joke

 

So you don't think the elite players have a steely determination? That's brilliant.

 

I thought the elite players showed fantastic determination, hunger, desire.... Iceland were a real credit to their nation ;-)

Only 45 minutes i've seen of the tournament, and will most certainly be the last.

 

There was a spell in the 2nd half where Rooney couldn't control the ball, 3 times on the trot. Then he spent the next 20 mins passing to Iceland players.
No longer good enough as a striker, shoehorned into midfield, by a manager who was caught in the headlights.

 

Explain how they do

 

Of course they do.

The player you mention Hourihane, he played with ONE of the current England squad.

Now he played with Henderson (Or I presume he did). Now why was Jordan Henderson the star of the group that Hourihane was part of. Now Jordans a year older than Hourihane but if the England players like Henderson don't have the drive and determination that Conor's got then why isn't he a International football, Playing at a top club and the people of Sunderland won't even know of him unlike Henderson, their star done good

 

I think you're absolutely right Phil that they must have a steely determination to have got where they are. There are plenty of talented footballers who don't ever make it in the professional game due to being lacking on the mental toughness or attitude side of things, let alone make it to full international level. That's what makes it all the more mystifying that it seemed to simply drain out of them as the tournament wore on. Fear? Maybe. Not having a clue what the manager wanted them to do? That could also be part of it. Nobody could accuse them of lack of effort in any of the group games, but the fact than they actually seemed to get worse as the tournament went on suggests that it's something mental, and something that runs very deep.

 

Then explain to me why the team of superstars we have have failed to break down Slovakia and Iceland in successive games. And I'm not bringing in this for points scoring but Germany subsequently took Slovakia apart. So what's wrong? We've been saying the current crop will come good in a couple of years for the past 20 years. They haven't.

 

It happens.

Tell me why Hourihanes Barnsley couldn't break down Altrincham. A team i'm not sure even are professional

 

In my opinion the players tried TOO hard, panicked when things weren't happening for them and had a collective nervous breakdown in that second half. We had no calming influences on the pitch to stop it happening.