Corbyn - does he not understand?

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    That the first and most important part of his job is to lead the Labour MP's in Parliament? In footy terms, he's lost the dressing room. We know where that inevitably leads.
     
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    Problem is he hasn't. They have just been waiting for a time to challenge his leadership because the PLP don't want him in spite of the membership that elected him.
     
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    So do you think they can be made to like him then?
     
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    So do you think they can be made to like him then?
     
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    Not necessarily my view...but some might say he's lost a dressing room of players he'd like to transfer but the fans are still behind him.
     
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    Popular with party members but not with the self serving chattering political classes that run a mile at the sight of common people and cosy up to the bosses. I'd sack the lot if I were him.
     
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    Ha ha. I think I would. His position looks impossible - even with hundreds of thousands of party Members behind him. But the PLP!!! there aren't words to describe what an absolute shower they are (oops sorry - I found the words.)
     
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    Or all those Labour constituencies that elected them?
     
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    political version of Roy Hodgson

    decent enough in his aspiration and views but not up to managing a national team
     
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    Re: political version of Roy Hodgson

    As I said on another thread. His problem is that he's a socialist. Most Labour voters aren't, they're just right wingers who don't like rich people.
    And I do appreciate that's a sweeping generalisation but I don't think I'm far off the mark.
     
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    Re: political version of Roy Hodgson

    What use is a politician who can't get elected? He'll take Labour over the cliff and not give a ****.
     
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    Re: political version of Roy Hodgson

    I'm not in disagreement. Much though I admire his sticking to his principles he's doing more harm than good because he's making Labour unelectable.
     
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    Right now it's so called labour MP's making the party unelectable not Corbyn. The Labour Party should be hell bent on attacking the Tories right now but they are hell bent on selling its constituents short. The Labour Party hasn't served its constituents properly for years now.
     
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    I'm just waiting for the day the PLP don't see a lurch to the right as the answer to a problem. Once again they're completely missing the point.
     
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    The Plp can't sack him only call a leadership election that they would lose. They need to stop being careerist imbeciles and start attacking a very vulnerable tory party not their democratically elected leader. He's been patient with them but I suspect it's wearing thin.
     
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    It's like the early 1980's all over again. It took Labour about 18 years to recover from that last time. What will this country look like after 18-20 years of Boris rule?
     
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    The problem is that none of the PLP believe that Corbyn has any chance of winning an election. And I think I agree with them. He comes over as a nice bloke but just not a leader.
    People can moan all they like that he is the choice of the members but if he cant command the respect of the PLP his position is untenable. Although I think policy is part of the problem the bigger problem is his leadership capabilities, as was demonstrated for example in the referendum where his performance hasnt been inspiring.
    Stanch labour voters will of course vote for him but any floating voter (like myself for example who have voted labour in the past bud not in the last election ) is really unlikely to vote for him - the same problem as last time - Had the other Milliband been picked as leader I doubt we would have been in the current mess. Without the floating voters Labour will never get elected and we will be condemmed to the nightmare of people like Boris or Gove for ever.
     
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    There's a certain irony at these Lab MPs whose constituencies voted heavily to leave attacking Corbyn whose area vote heavily to remain that it's down to him.

    It's finally true, there really is no difference between most Lab and Con MP's
     
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    If people don't want an alternative they should vote for Boris and Gove. If they do they should vote differently not for a slightly watered down version of those two. That's my straight opinion
     
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    As other people seem to like polls (me, not so much) but 3000 Labour members were polled asking if they voted for Corbyn last time and would they vote for him if he stood again. 85% of people asked said they voted for him last time and 95% of those people said that they would vote for him again.

    It's not the best time for it but maybe the PLP showing their true colours now is a good thing, get rid of all the people who only care about themselves and fill it with people who actually will fight for the people who they are supposed to represent.
     
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