sorry to bring it up again, ignore this t ... but maybe leaving the EU is not a given

Re: sorry to bring it up again, ignore this t ... but maybe leaving the EU is not a g

Re net contributor.
Do you think we do it all out of the goodness of out hearts?
Did Ted Heath sit there and think...I know...we'll chuck billions of pounds into the EEC for no return. After all, what with us being a front for a clique of international financiers out to fleece the working man that's what they'd want us to do.
Course he didn't. There are benefits that we gain in return. I can't put a figure on the benefits of free access to the EU market anymore than you can. But I suspect if they didn't stack up any politician worth his salt would have dragged us out years ago.
Are you a member of any club? Pay subscriptions to be one? I am.
Golf Club.....I get to play golf at a cheaper rate than if I wasn't a member.
Trades Union...I get negotiating power on my behalf and some measure of job protection.
Insurance....I pay to protect myself from possible heavy costs from accident/damage.
I could go on but I'm sure you get the gist. We all pay fees to bodies for no tangible cash return. But we do it because the benefits outweigh the costs. We DON'T do it for altruistic purposes although, maybe as a prosperous country we should.

 

Re: sorry to bring it up again, ignore this t ... but maybe leaving the EU is not a g

Theres a few FOIs drifting about.
Spectator did an article about it c2014.
Theres several main stream media articles referencing the 2m prior to the referendum.
Im on my phone so i cant pull it all together but if you are insistent ill do it over the weekend.

 

Re: sorry to bring it up again, ignore this t ... but maybe leaving the EU is not a g

Can't we just merge them back now there's hardly any new threads? It's a pain in the ar5e checking two different forums

 

Re: sorry to bring it up again, ignore this t ... but maybe leaving the EU is not a g

I know all that. My response was to the bad exampleof the development zone £1bn in 20years £1bn for that area over 20 years compared to £160bn net contributions highlights the imbalance.

The problem is inequity. Your insurance example is flawed. All policyholders pay in, companies take their profits and pool the rest to cover policyholders who make a claim. You also have a situation where the higher the risk the more you pay in Premiums This is the exact opposite of the EU contributions. UKs strong economy and membership means we pay year on year more than we get back. The higher risk economies actually don't pay anything being net recipients yet get the same benefits. NET contribution means just that -we pay more than we get back even allowing for trade deals. Those trade deals incidentally are not negotiated by us and are controlled by the EU particularly in negotiating with non-EU countries and they are ridiculously slow and painful. Several years have passed for some Trade deals and have still to be concluded. @Club discounts' dont really apply as we could negotiate at the very least, equal if not better trade deals with countries outside the EU without the EU getting their cut and slowing negotiations.

You also assume the EU is for the benefit of all whereas in reality it favours the Corporations, Banks and the rich. The concept of 'trickle down' economics can be defined by the EU and the recent UK Govts (including 'New' labour who courted big business is that @some of the oats that are eaten by the horse will end up on the road for the sparrows" . If the argument is that the EU protectys the Working man which I dispute, even if it did it is up to us when we leave to ensure any UK Govt does not legislate against working rights and you do that via the ballot box. That said we do need a credible opposition in order to do that. Again though, the EU is a one party democracy if you can call it that. The EU commission cannot be voted out by the public.

 

Re: sorry to bring it up again, ignore this t ... but maybe leaving the EU is not a g

Parliament will never pass the legislation until Ukip have a majority and there is also the little matter of Tory election fraud to sort out. Now the voters know the consequences and the fact they were lied to by Farage, Gove, Johnson and Co I don't think coming out will be popular at all. However, we will still be stuck with Farage stealing a living in the EU.

 

Re: sorry to bring it up again, ignore this t ... but maybe leaving the EU is not a g

Firstly don't bother replying I won't be reading it. Secondly here's the article

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...s-town-showered-eu-cash-votes-leave-ebbw-vale

Thirdly you really are an odious person. Good day.